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Offline GNatsNoMore

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For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« on: February 04, 2023, 08:25:05 pm »
Nice article about how Bill Holdforth, a former Washington Senators usher known as "Baseball Bill", held a fundraiser and placed a strongly anti-Short ad in a Minneapolis newspaper in 1978, when Short ran for U.S. Senate in 1978.  Sounds like a great guy!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/02/04/david-durenberger-bob-short-baseball-bill/

"He and his friends formed “Baseball Bill’s Committee to Keep Bob Short out of D.C.,” which raised $3,500 in a backyard fundraiser, a textbook underdog effort against a candidate who would spend more than $1 million of his own money on the race. Baseball Bill’s group pooled its money strategically into a single Minneapolis newspaper ad, which ran on the Sunday before the Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party primary. It read in part:

'Don’t Be “SHORT” Changed. Bob Short WAS a Senator. In fact, he was the Washington Senators, the American League Baseball Club. He purchased the team in December 1968. He moved the team to Arlington, Texas, at the end of September 1971. We in our Nation’s Capital were left without a baseball team. We were “short changed.” In two days you people of the great state of Minnesota must make a decision. Bob Short held our trust for three years, and we were SHORT CHANGED. So, before you vote Tuesday, please consider these facts about Bob Short as we know him.

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Seventy-one years of baseball tradition meant nothing to him. Minnesotans have a tradition of sending men of national stature like Humphrey, Mondale, and McCarthy to the U.S. Senate. Does Bob Short’s record measure up? We think not. He took something precious from our community. He broke our hearts.'"

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2023, 01:46:05 pm »
Baseball Bill deserves to be in the Nats ring of honor more that a number of the names who are actually included at Nats Park. 

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2023, 03:15:52 pm »
Baseball Bill deserves to be in the Nats ring of honor more that a number of the names who are actually included at Nats Park.

Two guys who were great for other franchises but definitely should not be in the Nats ring of honor or Ivan Rodriguez and Frank Robinson. I wouldn't of put Jason Werth in there either.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2023, 06:58:52 pm »
Two guys who were great for other franchises but definitely should not be in the Nats ring of honor or Ivan Rodriguez and Frank Robinson. I wouldn't of put Jason Werth in there either.

Agree on Pudge. Frank was our first manager and managed the team for five years (3 in Montreal). He got us through the Expos to Nationals transition, so I'm good with him in the ring.

I don't have an issue with Werth either, but Zimmerman should have gone in before him.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2023, 09:17:49 pm »
Agree on Pudge. Frank was our first manager and managed the team for five years (3 in Montreal). He got us through the Expos to Nationals transition, so I'm good with him in the ring.

I don't have an issue with Werth either, but Zimmerman should have gone in before him.

I think Frank was a decent manager with what he had to work with but I'm not sure why it matters he was the manager when they moved from Montreal to DC. He did a magical job the first half of 2005 but was nothing special other than that. Out of 7 seasons with the Nats Werth had 2.5 good years. Other then that he wasn't good. I think it cheapens it for the ones who deserve to be there when you put guys in that don't.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2023, 09:39:16 pm »
Washington had a higher attendance than Minnesota and Texas last year.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2023, 10:31:42 pm »
Washington had a higher attendance than Minnesota and Texas last year.

Those were the days

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2023, 08:33:36 am »
Two guys who were great for other franchises but definitely should not be in the Nats ring of honor or Ivan Rodriguez and Frank Robinson. I wouldn't of put Jason Werth in there either.

Mark Lerner desperately wants an old time baseball franchise with a storied history, which means elevating players and achievements that would not be considered for having such honors in other cities.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2023, 11:38:55 am »
I think Frank was a decent manager with what he had to work with but I'm not sure why it matters he was the manager when they moved from Montreal to DC. He did a magical job the first half of 2005 but was nothing special other than that. Out of 7 seasons with the Nats Werth had 2.5 good years. Other then that he wasn't good. I think it cheapens it for the ones who deserve to be there when you put guys in that don't.

I'm totally fine with including Frank Robinson. I'm proud he was our first manager and part of our history. I'm not cool with including Pudge due to his brief tenure here. As for Werth, I get that signing him was significant and that he was a clubhouse leader (not convinced that was all for the good), but if he didn't have the long hair and caveman persona that was popular with some fans I really don't think he'd be remembered as fondly, so I'm not really thrilled with including him. Finally, I don't really dig including the Expos players, but won't complain too much because they deserve to not be forgotten given the situation.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2023, 12:34:09 pm »
Bill Holdforth and his brother unrolled the famous banner, "Stort Stinks", at the last Expansion Nats game.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2023, 12:46:35 pm »
Bill Holdforth and his brother unrolled the famous banner, "Stort Stinks", at the last Expansion Nats game.

I was at that game. That banner was fantastic.

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Re: For Old Timers: The Senators, Bob Short and "Baseball Bill"
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2023, 06:53:24 pm »
Baseball Bill's brother is John F. Holdforth...couldn't remember his name.