Author Topic: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves (Read 82751 times)

mitlen · « **Reply #1050:** December 24, 2018, 08:30:02 PM »

https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/24/nationals-will-look-much-different-will-change-be-better/?utm_term=.a7dd2a0e6964

madj55 · « **Reply #1051:** December 26, 2018, 12:39:10 AM »

Quote from: rileyn on December 24, 2018, 07:25:22 AM

You think more black people are going to come out to watch Marcus Stroman pitch? Come on, Man.

My entire family would be inclined to. We tried to catch most of Joe Ross’ starts before the TJ. Do you know how rare an African American starting pitcher is these days?

Expos · « **Reply #1052:** December 26, 2018, 02:28:41 AM »

Quote from: madj55 on December 26, 2018, 12:39:10 AM

My entire family would be inclined to. We tried to catch most of Joe Ross’ starts before the TJ. Do you know how rare an African American starting pitcher is these days?

That's a tad bit racist no? Why not go out of your way to cheer for a white or hispanic pitcher? I don't take my whole family to watch when a white pitcher is throwing. Cheer for the team no matter what color the pitcher is.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1053:** December 26, 2018, 05:40:58 AM »

Quote from: Expos on December 26, 2018, 02:28:41 AM

That's a tad bit racist no? Why not go out of your way to cheer for a white or hispanic pitcher? I don't take my whole family to watch when a white pitcher is throwing. Cheer for the team no matter what color the pitcher is.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1054:** December 26, 2018, 08:43:19 AM »

The question was would anyone go out and watch Stroman were he here, and the answer was, "yes, my family would." It's more analogous to Mexican-Americans who followed Fernando, Japanese Yankee fans who followed Matsui, Jews who track whether a ballplayer is Jewish, etc... I'm sure Yan Gomes has a following among Brazilian-Americans, and Jose Fernandez drew some of his following not only because he was the best pitcher of his generation. It's more of "hey, somebody like me can make it" than any dislike for others simply because they are different.

aBaltoNat · « **Reply #1055:** December 26, 2018, 12:49:55 PM »

Quote from: madj55 on December 26, 2018, 12:39:10 AM

My entire family would be inclined to. We tried to catch most of Joe Ross’ starts before the TJ. Do you know how rare an African American starting pitcher is these days?

Thanks for proving my point.

Plus - I like Stromans attitude and really enjoyed him during the last WBC.

bluestreak · « **Reply #1056:** December 26, 2018, 01:52:52 PM »

Quote from: Expos on December 26, 2018, 02:28:41 AM

That's a tad bit racist no? Why not go out of your way to cheer for a white or hispanic pitcher? I don't take my whole family to watch when a white pitcher is throwing. Cheer for the team no matter what color the pitcher is.

I imagine that’s because on any random night, that’s like 80 percent likely to be the case. The pitcher is the most prominent position on the field, I don’t see a problem with wanting your kids to see someone that looks like them on the mound.

And back in the 80s I remember seeing lots of Larry Bird Jerseys on non Celtics fans. Bird was great, but I dont think it was his PPG average solely driving the sales. It’s the same thing. I don’t have a problem with it either way.

skippy1999 · « **Reply #1057:** December 26, 2018, 02:43:19 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on December 26, 2018, 08:43:19 AM

The question was would anyone go out and watch Stroman were he here, and the answer was, "yes, my family would." It's more analogous to Mexican-Americans who followed Fernando, Japanese Yankee fans who followed Matsui, Jews who track whether a ballplayer is Jewish, etc... I'm sure Yan Gomes has a following among Brazilian-Americans, and Jose Fernandez drew some of his following not only because he was the best pitcher of his generation. It's more of "hey, somebody like me can make it" than any dislike for others simply because they are different.

Well put, JCA, I swear some people look for reasons to be offended.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1058:** December 26, 2018, 03:30:37 PM »

I take it that the exchange was in good faith and not really meant to be an accusation.

Expos · « **Reply #1059:** December 26, 2018, 04:18:54 PM »

Quote from: skippy1999 on December 26, 2018, 02:43:19 PM

Well put, JCA, I swear some people look for reasons to be offended.

I'm not offended in the least bit but I guarantee if a white man said he would take his family to a game solely to watch Scherzer because he is white there would be an outcry.

Expos · « **Reply #1060:** December 26, 2018, 04:19:44 PM »

Quote from: aBaltoNat on December 26, 2018, 12:49:55 PM

Thanks for proving my point.

Plus - I like Stromans attitude and really enjoyed him during the last WBC.

Stroman is a cancer. A locker room crybaby. I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole.

Expos · « **Reply #1061:** December 26, 2018, 04:21:36 PM »

Quote from: bluestreak on December 26, 2018, 01:52:52 PM

I imagine that’s because on any random night, that’s like 80 percent likely to be the case. The pitcher is the most prominent position on the field, I don’t see a problem with wanting your kids to see someone that looks like them on the mound.

And back in the 80s I remember seeing lots of Larry Bird Jerseys on non Celtics fans. Bird was great, but I dont think it was his PPG average solely driving the sales. It’s the same thing. I don’t have a problem with it either way.

I used to rock a Michael Jordan jersey and I'm a Spurs fan.

Guaranteed the guys wore the Bird jersey because he was a fantastic ball player. Not because he was white.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1062:** December 26, 2018, 04:24:03 PM »

Quote from: Expos on December 26, 2018, 04:21:36 PM

I used to rock a Michael Jordan jersey and I'm a Spurs fan.

Guaranteed the guys wore the Bird jersey because he was a fantastic ball player. Not because he was white.

Really? I'm quite confident there's a segment of his fanbase, and not a small one, that was a fan of his because he was white. Wasn't he called the "Great White Hope"?

bluestreak · « **Reply #1063:** December 26, 2018, 04:26:58 PM »

Quote from: Expos on December 26, 2018, 04:21:36 PM

I used to rock a Michael Jordan jersey and I'm a Spurs fan.

Guaranteed the guys wore the Bird jersey because he was a fantastic ball player. Not because he was white.

I’m sure there were tons. But if you can have a great player you can identify with more, I’m not faulting anyone for gravitating towards that.

aBaltoNat · « **Reply #1064:** December 26, 2018, 04:32:05 PM »

Would love to see the Dodgers acquire Castellanos from the Tigers in lieu of Bryce.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1065:** December 26, 2018, 04:33:57 PM »

Quote from: DPMOmaha on December 26, 2018, 04:24:03 PM

Really? I'm quite confident there's a segment of his fanbase, and not a small one, that was a fan of his because he was white. Wasn't he called the "Great White Hope"?

In fairness to Bird, he got a lot of grief from some in the league about "your only a star b/c you are white" at times. Maybe just trash talking.

Stroman was a stud for team USA and earlier for the BJs, but has come off of 2 down years. He's a gamble but I trust Rizzo if he says he's worth a shot.

DPMOmaha · « **Reply #1066:** December 26, 2018, 04:40:00 PM »

In the league and who his fans were are two different things.

Also, is there talk of going to get Stroman? Or is that just speculative. I've been a bit out of the loop the past couple days with the holiday.

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #1067:** December 26, 2018, 05:17:23 PM »

Stroman is on the block per many writers, and the Nats are supposed to be looking for more pitching, but the two have not been connected except by folks here.