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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #150: August 07, 2023, 04:49:23 PM »
It would have made some sense to start Gray tonight and have Williams in the bullpen if needed.

Yes. I was trying to remember who was on regular rest to pitch today.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #151: August 07, 2023, 05:38:24 PM »
Zuck:
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The Nationals left Wrigley Field 2 1/2 weeks ago with a bullpen in shambles. Somehow in 16 games since, they’ve had the best bullpen in the NL: 2.39 ERA, 1.139 WHIP, 8.5 K/9
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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #152: August 09, 2023, 07:30:23 AM »
Is anyone else wondering how Machado is cheating? Cus theres no way he just found 97 and a nice breaking ball

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #153: August 09, 2023, 08:46:28 AM »
Is anyone else wondering how Machado is cheating? Cus theres no way he just found 97 and a nice breaking ball
well, the reason he always was given a chance was because he threw hard. The breaking pitch I think is a development.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #154: August 09, 2023, 08:48:02 AM »
Just to dream a bit . . .

In September, we could have Rainey and Harvey and Edwards back. That's downright silly.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #155: August 09, 2023, 08:56:57 AM »
Just to dream a bit . . .

In September, we could have Rainey and Harvey and Edwards back. That's downright silly.
Yea. But lets just ease up in Rainey expectations. Generally command is the last thing to come back after TJS, and his wasnt exactly spectacular when he left.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #156: August 09, 2023, 08:57:21 AM »
well, the reason he always was given a chance was because he threw hard. The breaking pitch I think is a development.
Dunno dude, he was sitting 95 last year. Im thinking he got some hacks

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #157: August 09, 2023, 09:07:17 AM »
Dunno dude, he was sitting 95 last year. Im thinking he got some hacks
yes, velo is up 1- 2 MPH across the board. Big jump is on the slider (87.1 to 89.1). It went from garbage to neutral in terms of value. Looks like the change, which he's throwing more often and better, is the also a big improvement. https://www.fangraphs.com/players/andres-machado/14681/stats?position=P

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #158: August 09, 2023, 09:37:32 AM »
All Im saying is that if Machado gets asked to wash his hands, Im not gonna be surprised

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #159: August 09, 2023, 09:43:55 AM »
Remember when folks here said Finnegan was not a closer.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #160: August 09, 2023, 09:57:34 AM »
All Im saying is that if Machado gets asked to wash his hands, Im not gonna be surprised




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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #161: August 09, 2023, 01:40:11 PM »
so, for today, Abbott hasn't pitched in a while, and Garcia has had 2 days off since throwing 2 innings & 30 or so pitches.

I would think Machado would not be available after throwing 30 yesterday and throwing 4 out of the last 5 days. Finnegan and Weems have had mostly short outings (13 pitches each yesterday). They may try to avoid La Sorsa and Ferrer after yesterday but they have been lightly used in the days before. I'm guessing Garcia is the lefty they go to sometime. Gore going 6 or 7 would help.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #162: August 09, 2023, 01:51:12 PM »
i haven't seen the official transaction but i imagine Willingham is back to Rochester.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #163: August 09, 2023, 02:07:13 PM »
Just to dream a bit . . .

In September, we could have Rainey and Harvey and Edwards back. That's downright silly.

The interesting thing is if you bring back Harvey and Edwards later this month who do you send back to Rochester? Abbott and Garcia?

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #165: August 09, 2023, 06:12:06 PM »
The interesting thing is if you bring back Harvey and Edwards later this month who do you send back to Rochester? Abbott and Garcia?

Abbott.

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Re: Bullpen - the strength of 2023?
« Reply #166: September 14, 2023, 05:13:18 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2023/09/14/robert-garcia-change-up-nationals/

Nice article on Garcia's growing reliance on his change up. Early in his career, the Royals pushed him away from reliance on it and encouraged development of a breaking ball. When the Marlins picked him up, their pitching coordinator said the metrics on the changeup were elite, so why is it your 3rd pitch?  When the Marlins tired to waive him off their 40 man due to a roster squeeze, the Nats, seeing the changeup, pounced. Now he's throwing it a lot more, even to lefties.

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He has a 40.7 percent whiff rate when opponents swing at it. In a small sample of 25 innings, he’s thrown it 28.1 percent of the time (108 change-ups compared to 188 four-seam fastballs and 89 sliders, according to Statcast). And the change-up usage is even more stark when broken down by right- and left-handed hitters.

Discusses how he started using the changeup vs lefties pitching to Arraez, becoming the only pitcher to strike out Arraez twice this season.

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“His change-up, man, it’s so good,” Ruiz said. “We know Arráez hits breaking balls really well. And the change-up looks like fastball and then drops a lot. Arráez probably saw it as a fastball until it was too late. We went with his best pitch.”

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Generally, change-ups are the hardest pitch to analyze and understand on their own. As the Marlins first told Garcia, his change-up grades well with advanced metrics, mainly with its vertical movement (a lot more drop than his fastball and most other change-ups). But more than anything, a change-up thrives when it plays off a well-commanded fastball with a good shape.

The article goes on to discuss the use of waiver pick ups since the 2021 sell off, noting that Harvey is probably the big success story so far, and that the current roster features 4 waiver pickups - Harvey, Garcia, La Sorsa, and Call.

But this time, he trusted Ruiz and threw one in the dirt, getting Arráez to swing and miss for strike three. Garcia has struck out Arráez, who has a league-best strikeout rate of 5.8 percent, in both of their meetings. He remains the only pitcher to strike out Arráez twice in 2023.