Author Topic: 2021 Trade Discussions/Rumors/Deadline - buy or sell (Read 36271 times)

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #300:** July 02, 2021, 06:20:52 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 02, 2021, 05:57:59 PM

The Twins will likely eat money. Frankly, if the price is right, the Nats should be considering it

They will want Cavalli. Donaldson is still good but the stats in 2020 and 2021 are down a bit. And if the Twins eat money it's only going to be for this year. Drive up the price for the Mets.

hotshot · « **Reply #301:** July 02, 2021, 08:00:07 PM »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 02, 2021, 06:20:52 PM

They will want Cavalli. Donaldson is still good but the stats in 2020 and 2021 are down a bit. And if the Twins eat money it's only going to be for this year. Drive up the price for the Mets.

Keep Cavalli

Slateman · « **Reply #302:** July 02, 2021, 08:00:33 PM »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 02, 2021, 06:20:52 PM

They will want Cavalli. Donaldson is still good but the stats in 2020 and 2021 are down a bit. And if the Twins eat money it's only going to be for this year. Drive up the price for the Mets.

They can want whatever they want. They arent getting anything remotely close to a top 100 prospect back for Donaldson. Not unless they're eating all of the contract.

Slateman · « **Reply #303:** July 02, 2021, 08:01:42 PM »

https://mobile.twitter.com/dougherty_jesse/status/1411106479969554432

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Sources: The Nationals are in the process of acquiring veteran shortstop Alcides Escobar from the Royals. Escobar is on his way to Washington with the team needing middle infield help. The 34-year-old last played in the majors in 2018.

Really doesnt bode well

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #304:** July 02, 2021, 08:10:34 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 02, 2021, 08:00:33 PM

They can want whatever they want. They arent getting anything remotely close to a top 100 prospect back for Donaldson. Not unless they're eating all of the contract.

Wait and see. The Mets are desperate. They will give up something. They also have the money.

imref · « **Reply #305:** July 02, 2021, 08:12:11 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 02, 2021, 08:01:42 PM

https://mobile.twitter.com/dougherty_jesse/status/1411106479969554432

Really doesnt bode well

org depth given we’ve got four injured shortstops

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #306:** July 02, 2021, 08:16:41 PM »

Quote from: imref on July 02, 2021, 08:12:11 PM

org depth given we’ve got four injured shortstops

Yea, he will probably go to Rochester. For now anyway. Have to sign someone. Does make me wonder how serious some of the injuries are?

varoadking · « **Reply #307:** July 02, 2021, 08:25:12 PM »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 02, 2021, 08:16:41 PM

Yea, he will probably go to Rochester. For now anyway. Have to sign someone. Does make me wonder how serious some of the injuries are?

Who did we send to KC...Kiebust?

Slateman · « **Reply #308:** July 02, 2021, 08:35:42 PM »

Quote from: varoadking on July 02, 2021, 08:25:12 PM

Who did we send to KC...Kiebust?

Escobar hasnt played major league ball since 2018 and hasnt been a quality major leaguer since 2014. Rizzo isnt giving up anything notable to get him.

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #309:** July 02, 2021, 08:43:42 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 02, 2021, 08:35:42 PM

Escobar hasnt played major league ball since 2018 and hasnt been a quality major leaguer since 2014. Rizzo isnt giving up anything notable to get him.

Only the Lerner’s cash.

Slateman · « **Reply #310:** July 02, 2021, 08:50:53 PM »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 02, 2021, 08:43:42 PM

Only the Lerner’s cash.

Vet minimum. About as cheap as its gonna get.

imref · « **Reply #311:** July 02, 2021, 08:56:48 PM »

Quote from: Natsinpwc on July 02, 2021, 08:16:41 PM

Yea, he will probably go to Rochester. For now anyway. Have to sign someone. Does make me wonder how serious some of the injuries are?

Trea is “officially” day-to-day. He’s the one to worry about.

imref · « **Reply #312:** July 02, 2021, 09:45:15 PM »

The Athletic says we're giving "cash considerations" to the Royals for Escobar

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #313:** July 02, 2021, 10:23:35 PM »

Quote from: imref on July 02, 2021, 09:45:15 PM

The Athletic says we're giving "cash considerations" to the Royals for Escobar

a guest appearance on who wants to be a Turkish millionaire?

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #314:** July 02, 2021, 10:28:04 PM »

White Sox have not yet traded for Escobar from Arizona--supposedly other teams involved. Have to thing the Nats are one of those.

blue911 · « **Reply #315:** July 03, 2021, 06:33:55 AM »

Quote from: imref on July 02, 2021, 09:45:15 PM

The Athletic says we're giving "cash considerations" to the Royals for Escobar

Not real cash mind you, just the consideration

imref · « **Reply #316:** July 03, 2021, 06:37:04 AM »

Quote from: blue911 on July 03, 2021, 06:33:55 AM

Not real cash mind you, just the consideration

A bag of tokens redeemable at dave and busters perhaps?

blue911 · « **Reply #317:** July 03, 2021, 07:26:09 AM »

Quote from: imref on July 03, 2021, 06:37:04 AM

A bag of tokens redeemable at dave and busters perhaps?

Or coupons from the back of Raleigh cigarettes

imref · « **Reply #318:** July 03, 2021, 08:04:32 AM »

Quote from: blue911 on July 03, 2021, 07:26:09 AM

Or coupons from the back of Raleigh cigarettes

Green stamps?

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #319:** July 03, 2021, 08:28:30 AM »

Quote from: imref on July 03, 2021, 08:04:32 AM

Green stamps?

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #320:** July 03, 2021, 01:14:23 PM »

Look like the Pirates may be willing to move both Adam Frazier and their closer, Richard Rodriguez. Frazier is under control for next year, and Rodriguez to 2023. Just playing with this trade simulator, https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it seems that fair value might be Garcia and Rutledge or Kieboom and Henry. Garcia, Antuna, and Lara might be a third comparable value deal. I would not mind those sort of prices. Frazier's OBP would be a nice complement to the top of the line up, and this would solidify the back end of the pen. This sort of lines up as a straight position swap with years of control and a prospect starter for a reliever

Slateman · « **Reply #321:** July 03, 2021, 03:43:27 PM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 03, 2021, 01:14:23 PM

Look like the Pirates may be willing to move both Adam Frazier and their closer, Richard Rodriguez. Frazier is under control for next year, and Rodriguez to 2023. Just playing with this trade simulator, https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it seems that fair value might be Garcia and Rutledge or Kieboom and Henry. Garcia, Antuna, and Lara might be a third comparable value deal. I would not mind those sort of prices. Frazier's OBP would be a nice complement to the top of the line up, and this would solidify the back end of the pen. This sort of lines up as a straight position swap with years of control and a prospect starter for a reliever

Time to do that was two weeks ago, not four weeks from now.

zimm_da_kid · « **Reply #322:** July 04, 2021, 03:07:35 AM »

Quote from: JCA-CrystalCity on July 03, 2021, 01:14:23 PM

Look like the Pirates may be willing to move both Adam Frazier and their closer, Richard Rodriguez. Frazier is under control for next year, and Rodriguez to 2023. Just playing with this trade simulator, https://www.baseballtradevalues.com/trade-simulator/ , it seems that fair value might be Garcia and Rutledge or Kieboom and Henry. Garcia, Antuna, and Lara might be a third comparable value deal. I would not mind those sort of prices. Frazier's OBP would be a nice complement to the top of the line up, and this would solidify the back end of the pen. This sort of lines up as a straight position swap with years of control and a prospect starter for a reliever

I’m in the Henry > Rutledge camp right now. So I’d rather use rutledge, kieboom, and anyone not named Garcia, cavalli, or Henry as trade chips.

Slateman · « **Reply #323:** July 04, 2021, 07:26:04 AM »

Quote from: zimm_da_kid on July 04, 2021, 03:07:35 AM

I’m in the Henry > Rutledge camp right now. So I’d rather use rutledge, kieboom, and anyone not named Garcia, cavalli, or Henry as trade chips.

Henry sucks and is a future reliever. Oh and hurt.

We are selling, not buying. Rizzo needs to do the right thing and trade Scherzer and Hand ASAP. Then look to move Turner in the offseason

sixthree175 · « **Reply #324:** July 04, 2021, 07:20:52 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 04, 2021, 07:26:04 AM

Henry sucks and is a future reliever. Oh and hurt.

We are selling, not buying. Rizzo needs to do the right thing and trade Scherzer and Hand ASAP. Then look to move Turner in the offseason

Can we all agree at this point that it's not realistic to think there might be a post season bid for the Nats in 2021? It all came crashing down in the past few days. The Mets are going to win the NL East. Given this fact and the fact that we've already won a World Series recently, I believe the fans can stomach a TOTAL rebuild, with nothing off the table except for trading Max, who should retire a Nat. Even Strasburg, after getting healthy, should be unloaded for whatever they could get for him (maybe he has a no-trade clause?).