2021 Trade Discussions/Rumors/Deadline - buy or sell

[Slateman]

We need a number 4 hitter. Souza aint it.

This isnt a playoff team. Its time to sell.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

We need a number 4 hitter. Souza aint it.

This isnt a playoff team. Its time to sell.

in the words of our old friend Bloo, "Souza = CHAMPIONSHIP!!!!1111!!!!!"

Not.  Nobody is saying Souza will make this a playoff team.  This is literally a fill in flyer while to get through injuries.  I still am not sure I'd give him a shot, but some sort of righty outfielder to blend in with Stevenson and / or Hernandez while we wait for Schwarber to get healthy and maybe even give Soto a day off would not be dumb.

[Slateman]

Theres no reason to waste a roster spot and waiver claim on a 32 year old.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Theres no reason to waste a roster spot and waiver claim on a 32 year old.

the 40 man spot is an issue, but there's some crud on it. Rock Loebstein, etc... 

[UMDNats]

Robles, Rutledge, Jeremy De La Rosa and PTBL (2021 draft pick from rounds 3-7) for Bryan Reynolds. Easy.

Might even sub in Garcia for DLR to grease the wheels a little bit. Reynolds would fill a lot of weak points for us.

[Slateman]

Robles, Rutledge, Jeremy De La Rosa and PTBL (2021 draft pick from rounds 3-7) for Bryan Reynolds. Easy.

Might even sub in Garcia for DLR to grease the wheels a little bit. Reynolds would fill a lot of weak points for us.

Why would the Pirates take that?

[Natsinpwc]

So Parra is back.  Eaton will be back soon.  Might as well just call Howie. 

[welch]

Sign Eaton and send him to Rochester to work out his hitting.

Nats will still need a decent hitter in CF.

[UMDNats]

Why would the Pirates take that?

[sixthree175]

We need a number 4 hitter. Souza aint it.

This isnt a playoff team. Its time to sell.

This is the bottom line and nobody wants to face facts.  2019 was a different situation because of the wild card potential.  There is NO wild card potential in 2021.  The Mets could tread water for the rest of the season and still win the division. 

It's over, Johnny!

[welch]

Even if the 2021 Nats do not make the playoffs, why sell?

Why "sell" good players for prospects?

Why not build around players like Max, Strasburg, Turner, and Soto? While Rizzo has filled out the roster with useful older players, what sort of return could the Nats imagine getting for Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer, or Starlin Castro and Gerardo Parra? Who did the Nats accumulate when Rizzo sold players in 2018?

[UMDNats]

rizzo didn't sell players in 2018 and it's hard to build around a late-30s SP, a now always injured 30+ SP, a pending FA.

[Slateman]

Even if the 2021 Nats do not make the playoffs, why sell?

Why "sell" good players for prospects?

Why not build around players like Max, Strasburg, Turner, and Soto? While Rizzo has filled out the roster with useful older players, what sort of return could the Nats imagine getting for Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer, or Starlin Castro and Gerardo Parra? Who did the Nats accumulate when Rizzo sold players in 2018?

Max is gone at the end of the year. Unless the Nats massively overpay, he isnt going to stick around to finish his career on a sub .500 team.

Turner is gone the year after that.

The Nats got nothing in 2018 because they waited until mid August and the Lerners vetoed a Harper trade. This has still proven to be an enormous mistake as they got nothing in return.

The farm is terrrible. This team needs something to develop if it wants to compete again in the Soto window

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Even if the 2021 Nats do not make the playoffs, why sell?

Why "sell" good players for prospects?

Why not build around players like Max, Strasburg, Turner, and Soto? While Rizzo has filled out the roster with useful older players, what sort of return could the Nats imagine getting for Josh Harrison and Jordy Mercer, or Starlin Castro and Gerardo Parra? Who did the Nats accumulate when Rizzo sold players in 2018?

only 2 of the guys you want to build around are locked up beyond next year, and one of those  who is locked up hasn't taken his position for most of he past 2 seasons.

[Slateman]

I gotta think the Dodgers will be desperate.

You trade Scherzer for one of Gray/Ruiz/Busch, along with a couple other smaller level guys, and you could legit compete next season. Particularly if you can get anything decent back for Hand, Hudson, Harrison, and Schwarber.

[zimm_da_kid]

I gotta think the Dodgers will be desperate.

You trade Scherzer for one of Gray/Ruiz/Busch, along with a couple other smaller level guys, and you could legit compete next season. Particularly if you can get anything decent back for Hand, Hudson, Harrison, and Schwarber.

Wouldn’t mind a Scherzer bidding war between the big three nl west teams.  All three have a great collection of prospects

[Slateman]

Wouldn’t mind a Scherzer bidding war between the big three nl west teams.  All three have a great collection of prospects

Too bad there arent three NL West teams looking for a top of the rotation starter

[welch]

I gotta think the Dodgers will be desperate.

You trade Scherzer for one of Gray/Ruiz/Busch, along with a couple other smaller level guys, and you could legit compete next season. Particularly if you can get anything decent back for Hand, Hudson, Harrison, and Schwarber.

What's so great about these guys? I read about them in MLB Prospects, then looked up their current stats. Gray, the pitcher, seems behind Cavalli, Rutledge, and Henry. Ruiz, the catcher is said to be a good contact hitter but not a great catcher. Bush, a 2B is predicted to be a good hitter in the future. Which one of them would make the Nats "compete" next year?

[Slateman]

What's so great about these guys? I read about them in MLB Prospects, then looked up their current stats. Gray, the pitcher, seems behind Cavalli, Rutledge, and Henry. Ruiz, the catcher is said to be a good contact hitter but not a great catcher. Bush, a 2B is predicted to be a good hitter in the future. Which one of them would make the Nats "compete" next year?

Any one of them would be the best prospect on this team. All will be MLB ready by next year's ASB at the latest.

Gray has 100+ innings under his belt and is dominating in Triple A

Ruiz is a good hitting catcher. Thats rare and the Dodgers are chock full at catcher.

Busch is hitting well in Double A and will likely finish the season in Triple A

[Kevrock]

BA has Cavalli ranked higher than all three in their latest rankings FYI.

[Kevrock]

If the Dodgers are willing to trade one or two of those top tier pieces for Max, that means they are intending to trade for and then extend Scherzer. The Dodgers are smart. So… that means I’d rather be the team to extend Scherzer.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

BA has Cavalli ranked higher than all three in their latest rankings FYI.

Cavalli is a guy we have to hold onto even if we make a push this year
 The effect on your budget of having an mlb minimum ace level pitcher makes him a crown jewel.  Moreso than Rutledge.

[Slateman]

BA has Cavalli ranked higher than all three in their latest rankings FYI.

No one else does.

If the Dodgers are willing to trade one or two of those top tier pieces for Max, that means they are intending to trade for and then extend Scherzer. The Dodgers are smart. So… that means I’d rather be the team to extend Scherzer.

Cool. Let them. Scherzer isnt signing an extension here.

Cavalli is a guy we have to hold onto even if we make a push this year
 The effect on your budget of having an mlb minimum ace level pitcher makes him a crown jewel.  Moreso than Rutledge.

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And no one is saying give up Cavelli.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Oh sure. Last winter I would have used Rutledge in that sentence.  But Cavalli is close.

[Slateman]

Oh sure. Last winter I would have used Rutledge in that sentence.  But Cavalli is close.

Cavalli is no where near