2009 vs 2022 - which lineup is worse?

[aspenbubba]

Halfway through, at 29-52, that pace is worse than 2008 & 2009. 

I’m on the mark with a pre-season prediction of 58 wins and if we dump Bell and Cruz I doubt the second half will be as good as the first half. Truly awful team.

[welch]

Worst Washington team I have ever seen, and I remember every team from 1953 onward. Interesting to compare 2022 to the 1957 Senators, which finished 55 - 99.

[rileyn]

They don't even look like a team.  Just a collection of misfits and prospects with no sense of togetherness or spirit.  What little enthusiasm do show, appears to be somewhat phony to me. Just a bunch of guys waiting to get traded or trying to cling to their careers.  I guess I can't blame them, but as a fan, this is really bad.

[Natsinpwc]

They don't even look like a team.  Just a collection of misfits and prospects with no sense of togetherness or spirit.  What little enthusiasm do show, appears to be somewhat phony to me. Just a bunch of guys waiting to get traded or trying to cling to their careers.  I guess I can't blame them, but as a fan, this is really bad.

Imagine being a pirates fan and seeing that year after year with no end in sight. 

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

Orioles

Imagine being a pirates fan and seeing that year after year with no end in sight. 

[Elvir Ovcina]

Imagine being a pirates fan and seeing that year after year with no end in sight.

Seen the Pirates' present team?  They're well ahead of the Nats in every department except having Juan Soto.

[Natsinpwc]

Seen the Pirates' present team?  They're well ahead of the Nats in every department except having Juan Soto.

Yeah but they will trade off those guys. Or lose them to free agency.

[Ali the Baseball Cat]

 

29. Washington Nationals
Record: 29-52
Last Power Ranking: 29

The Nationals are keeping their GM and manager, which makes sense for a team that won the World Series about 20 minutes ago and is trying to find a buyer. They might or might not extend Juan Soto for a half-billion dollars, but that all depends on how exciting that would be for a potential buyer. And now Soto is ailing with a left calf injury, so even the present-day fun is (more) limited.

There is no team in baseball purgatory quite like the Nationals. They’re not quite rebuilding, not quite reloading. They simply exist in a limitless void, waiting for something else.

You can resume not thinking about the Nationals now.

https://theathletic.com/3395825/2022/07/04/mlb-power-rankings-the-cubs-gain-some-ground-and-the-astros-and-dodgers-jockey-for-position/

[Mattionals]

29. Washington Nationals
Record: 29-52
Last Power Ranking: 29

The Nationals are keeping their GM and manager, which makes sense for a team that won the World Series about 20 minutes ago and is trying to find a buyer. They might or might not extend Juan Soto for a half-billion dollars, but that all depends on how exciting that would be for a potential buyer. And now Soto is ailing with a left calf injury, so even the present-day fun is (more) limited.

There is no team in baseball purgatory quite like the Nationals. They’re not quite rebuilding, not quite reloading. They simply exist in a limitless void, waiting for something else.

You can resume not thinking about the Nationals now.

https://theathletic.com/3395825/2022/07/04/mlb-power-rankings-the-cubs-gain-some-ground-and-the-astros-and-dodgers-jockey-for-position/

That's kind of a lame take. If ownership is selling, outside of locking up their biggest asset in Soto, why would they pursue any number of large scale changes? That is for the new owners, and likely, a new regime to figure out. I don't expect that the new owners will fire Rizzo or DMart, but what else do you intend the Nationals to do exactly? Sure, it's a weird position, but it's worded quite negatively like it's never ending purgatory, when it clearly isn't.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

getting closer to 2009 in terms of futility.  32nd win yesterday in the 97th game puts 2022 3 games and a few days ahead of 2009's 32nd win.

[imref]

Just saw that the Nats current rank 18th in attendance in the league. That's amazing given this year's team.

[Natsinpwc]

Just saw that the Nats current rank 18th in attendance in the league. That's amazing given this year's team.

Attendance lags behind performance. They are still living off of the glory years. Give it a chance to go down more. Next year for sure. They will never be near the bottom because fans of other teams in the area will save them.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Just saw that the Nats current rank 18th in attendance in the league. That's amazing given this year's team.

sooo much of this is still locked in SPH.  Some of this is still working off credit from renewing after 2020. 

[imref]

sooo much of this is still locked in SPH.  Some of this is still working off credit from renewing after 2020. 

They drew close to 100k this past weekend, the park was pretty full on Friday. I'm sure Soto's return had a lot to do with that though. The park is still a destination for 20-30 somethings in DC.

[imref]

Via Statsbystats:

Last 3 games for the
@Nationals:

Beat Mets 7-1
Beat Mets 7-1
Beat Cardinals 6-0

They are the first team in MLB history to have 3 straight games where they won by 6+ runs against a team with 30+ more wins than them

[JCA-CrystalCity]

need to run the table in the last 4 games to beat the 2009 team's 59-103 record.

[DPMOmaha]

Did the Nats hit a grand slam this year?

[PowerBoater69]

In 2009 they scored 710 runs, this year just 601 so far, that line up was better.

[Five Banners]

In 2009 they scored 710 runs, this year just 601 so far, that line up was better.

This team ran itself out of so many innings, it was beyond pathetic. I don’t remember minor-league teams looking that bad in that aspect.

[imref]

Today's lineup is quite arguably the worst in team history:
1. Thomas RF
2. Garcia 2B
3. Meneses 1B
4. Voit DH
5. Vargas SS
6. Hernandez 3B
7. Call CF
8. Palacios LF
9. Pineda C

Fedde SP

[catocony]

That's an AAAA squad for sure.

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Today's lineup is quite arguably the worst in team history:
1. Thomas RF
2. Garcia 2B
3. Meneses 1B
4. Voit DH
5. Vargas SS
6. Hernandez 3B
7. Call CF
8. Palacios LF
9. Pineda C

Fedde SP

digging one last benching of Robles.

[imref]

digging one last benching of Robles.

he's hurt

[aspenbubba]

Fedde freaking sucks. Voth him

[JCA-CrystalCity]

he's hurt

damaged pride?