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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #925: July 07, 2019, 05:21:02 PM »
If they can extend Rendon during the break, Carter is gone and will get us one
Carter better get us more than 1 ....

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« Reply #926: July 07, 2019, 05:37:34 PM »
Carter better get us more than 1 ....

Depends on how good and how controllable

Nightmare for Carter and a few low prospects

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« Reply #927: July 07, 2019, 06:45:30 PM »
Depends on how good and how controllable

Nightmare for Carter and a few low prospects
There is no reliever in baseball I would do a one for one with Carter Keiboom.

Rizzo needs to figure out how to fix this without giving up Keiboom, unless he's getting a major return. Like he trades Keiboom for Stroman and Giles,  and then flips Stroman to the Yankees for Frazier, or a Florial + Kahnle+pitching prospects.

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« Reply #928: July 07, 2019, 06:50:54 PM »
There is no reliever in baseball I would do a one for one with Carter Keiboom.

Rizzo needs to figure out how to fix this without giving up Keiboom, unless he's getting a major return. Like he trades Keiboom for Stroman and Giles,  and then flips Stroman to the Yankees for Frazier, or a Florial + Kahnle+pitching prospects.

If they extend Rendon, where does Carter play

I agree I don’t want Carter gone. But I say it more on what I think happens. Not what I want to happen

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« Reply #929: July 07, 2019, 06:52:07 PM »
If they extend Rendon, where does Carter play

I agree I don’t want Carter gone. But I say it more on what I think happens. Not what I want to happen
Second base.

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« Reply #930: July 07, 2019, 07:17:28 PM »
Second base.

Well, if teams are willing to part with good arms for less than Carter I am sure af on board

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #931: July 07, 2019, 07:21:18 PM »
Well, if teams are willing to part with good arms for less than Carter I am sure af on board
Someone like Tony Watson who is a rental wont cost you that much. Remember we got a rental Herrera for our 10th and 11th prospects. I could see Yasel Atuna being moved

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #932: July 07, 2019, 07:37:15 PM »
If in three weeks the Nationals are still on a winning pace and look in position to compete for the Wildcard, then I am very open to idea of making move for a reliever and paying a tough prospect price.

The goals need to be to make the playoffs. Another reliever won't change the complexion of the team, but it can help solidify things and give the Nats a bit better chance once they make it there. I know this decade has been a disaster in the playoffs, but there is parity once you make it. Max Scherzer gives us a shot.

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« Reply #933: July 07, 2019, 07:41:42 PM »
If in three weeks the Nationals are still on a winning pace and look in position to compete for the Wildcard, then I am very open to idea of making move for a reliever and paying a tough prospect price.

The goals need to be to make the playoffs. Another reliever won't change the complexion of the team, but it can help solidify things and give the Nats a bit better chance once they make it there. I know this decade has been a disaster in the playoffs, but there is parity once you make it. Max Scherzer gives us a shot.
Disagree. If we had a quality 8th inning guy, we'd be a lot closer to the division

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« Reply #934: July 07, 2019, 09:02:09 PM »
Disagree. If we had a quality 8th inning guy, we'd be a lot closer to the division
Trading for a reliever today won't solve that terrible start. Hot bats and pitching improvements across the board holding up is more important to a crazy hot streak than a setup man.

I want to see this team make up some more ground. Now, they do that? They'll eventually come back to Earth, but a quality setup man can help stabilize the ship at that point.

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« Reply #935: July 07, 2019, 09:20:18 PM »
Trading for a reliever today won't solve that terrible start. Hot bats and pitching improvements across the board holding up is more important to a crazy hot streak than a setup man.

I want to see this team make up some more ground. Now, they do that? They'll eventually come back to Earth, but a quality setup man can help stabilize the ship at that point.
Trading for a reliever greatly reduces the problem we have in the pen. The other teams in the WC race are going to work to get better. The Nats have to as well.

You have to have a pen that can win you a close game when the bats are cold and the opponent isnt on pace for 90+ losses.  And right now they dont. The bats arent going to be hot all season. The starting pitching isnt going to be lights out all season.

So yes, trading for bullpen help is an enormous need. And if Rizzo doesnt address it significantly,  this team wont make the playoffs.

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #936: July 08, 2019, 11:01:22 AM »
There is no reliever in baseball I would do a one for one with Carter Keiboom.
Carter Kieboom for Aroldis Chapman (or whoever the best closer is now with an expiring contract) would be a higher price than Gleyber Torres for Chapman was.

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #937: July 08, 2019, 01:05:03 PM »
never did like him, but he has been nothing but consistent, and pretty much lights-out for a (sadly, more than expected) pretty bad team--ken giles.

Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #938: July 09, 2019, 12:14:20 AM »
I definitely don't think that the likes of a 42-year old journeyman or Tanner Rainey can be trusted to be a consistent setup guy down the stretch in a pennant race.

If Rizzo is looking for a current closer who could become an 8th inning guy here, here are the best options:

                    (age) current salary/contract
Shane Greene (28) - 1 yr/$4m, arb eligible, FA 2021
Ken Giles (30) - 1 yr/$6.3m, arb eligible, FA 2021
Will Smith (30) - 1 yr/$4.23m, FA 2020
Alex Colome (30) - 1 year/$7.33m, arb eligible, FA 2021

Each would probably cost some top tier prospects which I'd be hesitant to trade for guys who are arb eligible this winter with only 1 year of control left or Smith who would be a rental. Rizzo could be thinking the middle relief route which would cost less in terms of $$$ and in addition could get one or two for lesser prospects.

The problem is, of course, that with the number of teams in the playoff hunt around baseball there is likely to be a bidding war for those guys which would drive the price up. I'm sure Rizzo is hedging his bets that there will be some solid setup guys available as well who would come cheaper.

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #939: July 09, 2019, 07:25:09 AM »
We are signing Boxberger and sending him to AA.  If we call him up, do we have a spot on the 40 man? Who does he replace?  Barraclough? 

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« Reply #940: July 09, 2019, 07:31:39 AM »
We are signing Boxberger and sending him to AA.  If we call him up, do we have a spot on the 40 man? Who does he replace?  Barraclough? 

We only have 39 on the 40 man roster

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #942: July 10, 2019, 03:16:28 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1149008125980270592?s=21
How much you wanna bet Rizzo signs him

I'd take him in a heartbeat. Dude was lights out with Milwaukee before he got to Boston.

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« Reply #943: July 10, 2019, 03:27:05 PM »
I'd take him in a heartbeat. Dude was lights out with Milwaukee before he got to Boston.
You mean before he had surgery for  thoracic outlet syndrome

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« Reply #944: July 10, 2019, 05:17:02 PM »
https://mobile.twitter.com/alexspeier/status/1149008125980270592?s=21

How much you wanna bet Rizzo signs him

Dumpster diving at its finest. Why would you even ask the Q?

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #945: July 10, 2019, 11:14:25 PM »
Aaron Barrett makes the eastern league all star team.

33.2 IP, 2.94 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 38Ks, 11BB, 15 saves

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Re: 2019 Bullpen
« Reply #946: July 11, 2019, 09:39:20 AM »
Aaron Barrett makes the eastern league all star team.

33.2 IP, 2.94 ERA, 1.10 WHIP, 38Ks, 11BB, 15 saves
wow.  Makes you wonder what is off so they don't give him a shot?  Is he doing this with veteran craftiness or is his stuff good? 

I've got a sense that they are using a long leash on Grace so do not want to push him off the roster.  Rainey and Suero have the best stuff, so they are not going to send him down even with options.  Guerra is working out, but if he shows signs of weakness I don't think they would keep him at the expense of a potential upgrade.  Rodney is pitching for his life.  Sipp is a second lefty, but since he's bullpen B and not in the set up chain, I think he may be expendable if there were a better option.  If Grace could reliably get lefties, then Sipp would be next man out, I think.

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« Reply #947: July 11, 2019, 10:06:50 AM »
wow.  Makes you wonder what is off so they don't give him a shot?  Is he doing this with veteran craftiness or is his stuff good? 

I've got a sense that they are using a long leash on Grace so do not want to push him off the roster.  Rainey and Suero have the best stuff, so they are not going to send him down even with options.  Guerra is working out, but if he shows signs of weakness I don't think they would keep him at the expense of a potential upgrade.  Rodney is pitching for his life.  Sipp is a second lefty, but since he's bullpen B and not in the set up chain, I think he may be expendable if there were a better option.  If Grace could reliably get lefties, then Sipp would be next man out, I think.

They are treating Barrett with kid's gloves due to the injury history. He's in Double AA. He's pitched back to back one time, and pitched with only one day rest on four other occasions. He has 15 saves, but there were 12 other occasions in which a pitcher was used to get a save. So it looks like they are being super careful with him.

I think you'll see him in September though.