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« Reply #225: May 17, 2019, 05:52:55 PM »
Other teams come up with their Luke Voit's, Corey Kluber's, Michael Brantley's, etc. PTBNLs in trades, players who were never expected to produce at anywhere near the level they are. Where are our counterparts?
Soto. He had a 2018 way beyond his expectations. He was not a top prospect.

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« Reply #226: May 17, 2019, 06:09:23 PM »
Other teams come up with their Luke Voit's, Corey Kluber's, Michael Brantley's, etc. PTBNLs in trades, players who were never expected to produce at anywhere near the level they are. Where are our counterparts?

Brantley was a top 50 prospect.

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« Reply #227: May 17, 2019, 06:28:01 PM »
Jesus Flores. Rule 5 starter for a couple years until he was hurt. Ok, not Kluber.

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« Reply #228: May 17, 2019, 08:25:11 PM »
He was then only one with an option, so yeah

Sanchez also has an option, which is why it's a mild surprise that Difo went down instead.

Other teams come up with their Luke Voit's, Corey Kluber's, Michael Brantley's, etc. PTBNLs in trades, players who were never expected to produce at anywhere near the level they are. Where are our counterparts?

Roark was acquired for 2 months of Cristian Guzman.  Mike Morse was acquired for Ryan Langerhans and then 2 seasons later got MVP votes (seriously, I think people forget that Norwegian '80s music aside, the MF could really hit).   Neither was expected to do remotely as well as he did.

I think the winner, though is this: Wilson Ramos was acquired for Matt Capps, who was out of MLB by age 30.  Six years of a starting-caliber catcher, who even made an All-Star team, for Matt Capps.  Granted, Ramos was a decent prospect, but that's still an absolute steal. 


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« Reply #229: May 17, 2019, 09:06:41 PM »
Sanchez also has an option, which is why it's a mild surprise that Difo went down instead.

Roark was acquired for 2 months of Cristian Guzman.  Mike Morse was acquired for Ryan Langerhans and then 2 seasons later got MVP votes (seriously, I think people forget that Norwegian '80s music aside, the MF could really hit).   Neither was expected to do remotely as well as he did.

I think the winner, though is this: Wilson Ramos was acquired for Matt Capps, who was out of MLB by age 30.  Six years of a starting-caliber catcher, who even made an All-Star team, for Matt Capps.  Granted, Ramos was a decent prospect, but that's still an absolute steal.

Some great examples but ... not much in the last 5 years, or longer. How did Cashman come up with Andujar? I know he's a one year star - and out for the year - but that 2018 season with the bat was phenomenal.

I think Morse was our best "steal." We just need more like him.

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« Reply #230: May 18, 2019, 08:49:17 AM »
Some great examples but ... not much in the last 5 years, or longer. How did Cashman come up with Andujar? I know he's a one year star - and out for the year - but that 2018 season with the bat was phenomenal.

I think Morse was our best "steal." We just need more like him.

They signed him out of the Dominican.  Signing 16-year-olds sometimes produces guys who boom spectacularly (Soto, last year) or those who bust spectacularly (Anderson Franco).  That's a completely different story than trades for retreads or marginal prospects in their 20s, which have been largely absent for 5 years because the Nats fancied themselves contenders in that time.

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« Reply #231: May 18, 2019, 09:03:03 AM »
They signed him out of the Dominican.  Signing 16-year-olds sometimes produces guys who boom spectacularly (Soto, last year) or those who bust spectacularly (Anderson Franco).  That's a completely different story than trades for retreads or marginal prospects in their 20s, which have been largely absent for 5 years because the Nats fancied themselves contenders in that time.
Well said.

Sometimes, as we all know though, those retreads and/or marginal prospects turn out to be more productive than the signing of a player costing exponentially more. NYY, who always are contenders, seem able due to their wealth to stockpile a lot of these type players in the minors to provide quality depth as needed.

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« Reply #232: May 18, 2019, 09:17:02 AM »
Well said.

Sometimes, as we all know though, those retreads and/or marginal prospects turn out to be more productive than the signing of a player costing exponentially more. NYY, who always are contenders, seem able due to their wealth to stockpile a lot of these type players in the minors to provide quality depth as needed.


The Yankees haven't been contenders since 2012.

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« Reply #233: May 18, 2019, 10:42:45 AM »
Where is the left handed pitcher the Nats drafted No.1 a year or two ago who could not stay out of personal misfortune? ????

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« Reply #234: May 18, 2019, 10:45:22 AM »
Where is the left handed pitcher the Nats drafted No.1 a year or two ago who could not stay out of personal misfortune? ????

Tommy John surgery.

The fact that Mike Rizzo built his bullpen around the idea that Matt Grace, Kyle Barraclough, Trevor Rosenthal and Justin Miller would be your work horses is a fireable offense IMO. Martinez may not be a good manager but it is undeniable that Rizzo has completely botched the last 18 months.

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« Reply #235: May 18, 2019, 11:38:20 AM »
The Yankees haven't been contenders since 2012.
Huh? They made it to game 7 ALCS, 2017.  That's not a contender?

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« Reply #236: May 18, 2019, 01:34:05 PM »
Huh? They made it to game 7 ALCS, 2017.  That's not a contender?
Lol, no

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« Reply #237: May 18, 2019, 05:42:14 PM »
Lol, no
So you have to make it to the World Series to be  (retrospectively) a contender?  So there are only two contenders each season.

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« Reply #238: May 18, 2019, 07:21:57 PM »
Yanks are always contenders before each season. Sometimes even at the end. Did you ever truly like the Nats chances beginning a season better than the Yanks' chances since 2005?

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« Reply #239: May 18, 2019, 07:25:20 PM »
Yanks are always contenders before each season. Sometimes even at the end. Did you ever truly like the Nats chances beginning a season better than the Yanks' chances since 2005?

:lmao:

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« Reply #240: May 18, 2019, 07:29:30 PM »
Miller to the IL. Rainey called up

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« Reply #241: May 18, 2019, 07:36:59 PM »

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« Reply #242: May 18, 2019, 07:42:56 PM »
Who is he?
The guy we got for Roark

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« Reply #243: May 19, 2019, 08:55:42 AM »
Who is he?





A real life Nook LaRoosh or HROD
Throws hard and wild

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« Reply #244: May 19, 2019, 09:48:53 AM »
A real life Nook LaRoosh or HROD
Throws hard and wild

So another flamethrower who can't find the plate and ends up geting crapcanned here but goes on to glory somewhere else.

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« Reply #245: May 19, 2019, 10:35:31 AM »
So another flamethrower who can't find the plate and ends up geting crapcanned here but goes on to glory somewhere else.
Yes

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« Reply #246: May 19, 2019, 05:12:36 PM »
Yes
So another flamethrower who can't find the plate and ends up geting crapcanned here but goes on to glory somewhere else.

Give the kid a chance first. He has shown a big time strike out capability and throws hard. Hope he becomes a viable option for the bullpen

Offline Duke of Earl

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« Reply #247: May 19, 2019, 05:55:05 PM »
Give the kid a chance first. He has shown a big time strike out capability and throws hard. Hope he becomes a viable option for the bullpen
Sure, give him a chance. But give him a chance in the minors.  This guy isn't even ready for AAA.

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« Reply #248: May 19, 2019, 07:29:38 PM »
Sure, give him a chance. But give him a chance in the minors.  This guy isn't even ready for AAA.

I ask this seriously, have you seen him pitch?

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« Reply #249: May 19, 2019, 07:35:59 PM »
I ask this seriously, have you seen him pitch?

Yeah I don't understand the blind assumption that he will be bad. High 90s stuff, great K/9 ratio at every level including his stint in AAA this year. Why can't he be good? Walks too many people right now, but that can change.