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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #125: December 17, 2018, 09:08:20 AM »

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #126: December 17, 2018, 10:09:42 AM »
2 years, 20 million :shock:

$19 plus a team option for 2021.  He'll split duties with d'Arnoud.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #127: December 17, 2018, 01:37:47 PM »
2 years, 20 million :shock:

The catcher market is basically a public shaming of the Marlins asking price for Realmuto, and a complete repudiation of using some generic $/WAR number to assign value in a prospects for veteran swap.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #128: December 17, 2018, 01:54:28 PM »
I mean, its 8 million per. For a 2 WAR player, that's not terrible.

It's like giving Strasburg 175 million

Sure, if you assume that taking a 36-year-old middle infielder whose remaining value is power and defense, putting him in Petco for his age 37 and 38 seasons, and expecting 4 WAR over those seasons is a safe bet.    (I think it's actually 8 million total - 4m per - which is a much better deal.  I'm just skeptical he'll provide much value at all, but the plan might be to write it off after 1 year if the Padres prospects develop.)

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #129: December 17, 2018, 02:29:06 PM »
Sure, if you assume that taking a 36-year-old middle infielder whose remaining value is power and defense, putting him in Petco for his age 37 and 38 seasons, and expecting 4 WAR over those seasons is a safe bet.    (I think it's actually 8 million total - 4m per - which is a much better deal.  I'm just skeptical he'll provide much value at all, but the plan might be to write it off after 1 year if the Padres prospects develop.)
4 million per is even better. You're basically paying for good defense and not striking out.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #130: December 17, 2018, 03:55:51 PM »
4 million per is even better. You're basically paying for good defense and not striking out.

4 million is fine.  When I posted originally, it was being reported as being 8 annually. 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #131: December 17, 2018, 09:21:36 PM »
Michael Brantley to the Astros. 2 years $32 million.

And I just read that Marlins said they would take Syndergaard for Realmuto straight up. And the Mets said no (as they should have). 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #132: December 18, 2018, 06:29:26 AM »
Michael Brantley to the Astros. 2 years $32 million.

And I just read that Marlins said they would take Syndergaard for Realmuto straight up. And the Mets said no (as they should have). 
I think the Mets may regret that. I don't think Syndergaard is ever going to stay healthy for a season.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #133: December 18, 2018, 07:31:15 AM »
heck of a pick up for the Astros.    Brantley was a 3.6 WAR player last year, putting up .309 / .364 / .468 with 17 HRs and he just signed for $16 million a year.

Harper ain't worth another $14 million or more a year.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #134: December 18, 2018, 09:11:43 AM »
heck of a pick up for the Astros.    Brantley was a 3.6 WAR player last year, putting up .309 / .364 / .468 with 17 HRs and he just signed for $16 million a year.

Harper ain't worth another $14 million or more a year.
Didn’t he also miss basically all of 2016 and 2017 due to injuries?

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #137: December 18, 2018, 09:24:47 PM »
1/$11 m plus incentives for Harvey. 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #138: December 19, 2018, 04:37:03 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/19/mlb-cuban-baseball-federation-reach-agreement-that-will-eliminate-need-players-defect/?utm_term=.c99dac6fb010

Cubans will still have to establish residency in another country before seeking a work visa in the US.  MLB clubs will pay the Cuban federation (or maybe the club?) when they sign someone.  This is designed to cut back on the role of smugglers. 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #139: December 19, 2018, 04:49:16 PM »
https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2018/12/19/mlb-cuban-baseball-federation-reach-agreement-that-will-eliminate-need-players-defect/?utm_term=.c99dac6fb010

Cubans will still have to establish residency in another country before seeking a work visa in the US.  MLB clubs will pay the Cuban federation (or maybe the club?) when they sign someone.  This is designed to cut back on the role of smugglers. 

How does the mlb paying the Cuban federation work with the embargo?

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #140: December 19, 2018, 04:57:44 PM »
How does the mlb paying the Cuban federation work with the embargo?
that's a good question.  According to the article, it's sort of a wink.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #141: December 19, 2018, 05:34:41 PM »
that's a good question.  According to the article, it's sort of a wink.

I just read the article

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Under the new agreement, Cuban players can still elect to leave the island, establish residency elsewhere and join MLB, but they would be subject to a waiting period of as long as two years, and the MLB team that signs him would still have to pay a release fee to his former Cuban club.

That seems like it works right up until a player doesn’t want to sit out two years and claims that the whole agreement is illegal because, we’ll it probably is

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #142: December 19, 2018, 05:58:32 PM »
How does the mlb paying the Cuban federation work with the embargo?

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #143: December 19, 2018, 05:59:58 PM »
I just read the article

That seems like it works right up until a player doesn’t want to sit out two years and claims that the whole agreement is illegal because, we’ll it probably is

I think there will be quite a few more Cubans playing in the Mexican League shortly.  I wouldn't expect dudes to just sit out completely.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #144: December 20, 2018, 09:00:16 AM »
I think there will be quite a few more Cubans playing in the Mexican League shortly.  I wouldn't expect dudes to just sit out completely.
good point.  this may be a boon to Mexico.

Livo's quoted in the article as saying this is a good thing, so anyone who criticizes it may end up with a junk punch.  Seriously, the stuff Puig went through (also in the article) has to stop. 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #145: December 20, 2018, 10:23:24 AM »
good point.  this may be a boon to Mexico.

Livo's quoted in the article as saying this is a good thing, so anyone who criticizes it may end up with a junk punch.  Seriously, the stuff Puig went through (also in the article) has to stop. 

Unless Cuba let’s anyone who wants to leave go, I don’t see how it stops

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #146: December 20, 2018, 02:46:26 PM »
Angels sign Trevor Cahill to a one year, $9 million deal.   Better numbers than Roark, but he hasn't thrown a lot of innings in most years (just 110 last year). 

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #147: December 20, 2018, 06:42:53 PM »
Rosenthal says Murphy to the Rockies is just about done.

2/$24 million

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #148: December 20, 2018, 09:27:12 PM »
Passan says Andrew Miller to STL is almost done.

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Re: 2018-19 Offseason (Non-Nats)
« Reply #149: December 21, 2018, 08:09:11 AM »
Passan says Andrew Miller to STL is almost done.
Darn you, Andrew Miller! He'd give us a killer bullpen if we sprung for him.