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Online Natsinpwc

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #75: October 10, 2018, 01:40:52 PM »
Every one needs a Bear Claw.

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« Reply #76: October 10, 2018, 01:42:34 PM »
Mistake. Barraclough had an ERA over 5 away from Marlins Park last season. Gives up a ton of homers on the road.

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« Reply #77: October 10, 2018, 02:02:10 PM »
Walks alot of guys too. 5.5 per 9 in 2018.  That's way excessive.   Gio was only 3.6.

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« Reply #78: October 10, 2018, 02:19:32 PM »
Proven back end reliever, under control for 3 more years for international money is a huge get for us.

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« Reply #79: October 10, 2018, 02:34:42 PM »
Like the move as long as he is not ever closing. Seemed to fall apart with that pressure.

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« Reply #80: October 10, 2018, 02:34:54 PM »
I was super psyched when I heard this but then I read all this negative stuff, was he hurt or something the second half of the year? He always seemed to perform well against us, I don't know I have high hopes for him for some reason though.

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« Reply #81: October 10, 2018, 02:44:47 PM »
I was super psyched when I heard this but then I read all this negative stuff, was he hurt or something the second half of the year? He always seemed to perform well against us, I don't know I have high hopes for him for some reason though.
They tried him as the closer.  He choked.

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« Reply #83: October 10, 2018, 02:45:57 PM »
They tried him as the closer.  He choked.

Have no fear, the Saint will fix his problems. ;)

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« Reply #84: October 10, 2018, 02:58:45 PM »
Mistake. Barraclough had an ERA over 5 away from Marlins Park last season. Gives up a ton of homers on the road.

And in 2017, his road ERA was 1.96 and he gave up 1 HR in 36.2 innings on the road.  His road ERA was also better in 2016, and his career split is 3.16 (home) and 3.26 (away), even after 2018. 

My concern isn't that.  It's that his email from July 1 onward last year was over 10.  For a guy whose ERA was literally under 1 up to that point in the season to abruptly turn into a pile of crap and then get traded for bonus pool money sets off pretty much every injury alarm bell I can think of.

https://mobile.twitter.com/BNightengale/status/1050012509099499521

Zona having a fire sale, per Nightengale

Not too many potential matches with the Nats there, I'm afraid.  That team way overachieved to even do what it did.  AZ doesn't have many guys left who are (1) good; (2) not crazy expensive; and (3) play a position where the Nats don't already have a lot of salary and/or players.  Ray might be a possibility, as might some of the relievers.   I worry about Greinke ending up in Philly or Atlanta.

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« Reply #85: October 10, 2018, 03:14:30 PM »
And in 2017, his road ERA was 1.96 and he gave up 1 HR in 36.2 innings on the road.  His road ERA was also better in 2016, and his career split is 3.16 (home) and 3.26 (away), even after 2018. 

My concern isn't that.  It's that his email from July 1 onward last year was over 10.  For a guy whose ERA was literally under 1 up to that point in the season to abruptly turn into a pile of crap and then get traded for bonus pool money sets off pretty much every injury alarm bell I can think of.

10 emails isn't very much.

Relievers can be very up and down from year to year.  Obviously you don't throw as many innings as starters, so a 3 run homer given up here and there has a much bigger impact on your numbers.  We gave up basically nothing and he has good stuff and is just 28 and under control cheaply another few years.  Not a bad guy to try and "get right" in 2019 as a low-leverage option.  Upside is he becomes a quality set up guy and emergency closer. 

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« Reply #86: October 10, 2018, 03:15:34 PM »
what about Taylor?  If he's really the defensive replacement guy going forward, can't Stevenson do that at minimum wage? 

Also, it seems there's room to negotiate a bonus or higher salary for Rendon if he'll sign for multiple years.  If he's a $25MM AAV guy on the open market, then 5 years, $125MM plus an option might be a reasonable deal.

You try and trade MAT, not just let him walk.

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« Reply #87: October 10, 2018, 03:17:21 PM »
No

We need a change of identity especially in the locker room.

The Lerners admit they were wrong with firing Baker and hire experienced bench boss Mike Scioscia.

Let Harper go and take the 1st round pick.
Trade Tanner Roark
Resign Jeremy Hellickson
Resign Greg Holland

Sign Cole Hamels (Chicago declines his 20 million team option)
Sign JA Happ
Sign Brian Dozier
Sign Wilson Ramos
Sign Jeurys Familia
Sign Matt Adams

C - Wilson Ramos / Spencer Kieboom
1B - Ryan Zimmerman / Matt Adams
2B - Brian Dozier / Wilmer Difo
SS - Trea Turner
3B - Anthony Rendon / Howie Kendrick
LF - Juan Soto / Andrew Stevenson
CF - Victor Robles / Michael Taylor
RF - Adam Eaton

1 - Max Scherzer
2 - Cole Hamels
3 - Stephen Strasburg
4 - JA Happ
5 - Joe Ross
Erik Fedde - AAA
Austin Voth - AAA
Kyle McGowin - AAA

Sean Doolittle
Greg Holland
Jeurys Familia
Matt Grace
Tim Collins
Justin Miller
Jeremy Hellickson
Wander Suero - AAA
Koda Glover - AAA
Jefrey Rodriquez - AAA

You don't get a 1st round pick as comp for Harper.

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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« Reply #88: October 10, 2018, 03:22:17 PM »
10 emails isn't very much.

Relievers can be very up and down from year to year.  Obviously you don't throw as many innings as starters, so a 3 run homer given up here and there has a much bigger impact on your numbers.  We gave up basically nothing and he has good stuff and is just 28 and under control cheaply another few years.  Not a bad guy to try and "get right" in 2019 as a low-leverage option.  Upside is he becomes a quality set up guy and emergency closer.

 :hysterical: That's my best mistake in a while.  I agree with you on the rest - he only got blasted a couple times and that contributes a lot to it, but the abrupt change in the middle of a year is what worried me more.  If he'd had 3 awesome years and then a bad one, that looks like a prime bounceback candidate.  A dude who overnight goes from a 1 ERA pitcher to a 10 ERA pitcher seems like a dude who might be damaged goods.

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #89: October 10, 2018, 03:28:56 PM »
:hysterical: That's my best mistake in a while.  I agree with you on the rest - he only got blasted a couple times and that contributes a lot to it, but the abrupt change in the middle of a year is what worried me more.  If he'd had 3 awesome years and then a bad one, that looks like a prime bounceback candidate.  A dude who overnight goes from a 1 ERA pitcher to a 10 ERA pitcher seems like a dude who might be damaged goods.

Well a fairly minor injury can alter your mechanics if you try and pitch through it and stay off the DL.  And a slight adjustment in mechanics can lead to a major hit to your numbers.  I don't know all the details with Bear Claw, but I'm sure the Nats did their homework.  Even if he is a bust, it was a very low-risk move. 

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« Reply #90: October 10, 2018, 03:47:09 PM »
He did a DL stint in August with a shoulder impingement which equals thalidomide baby

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« Reply #91: October 10, 2018, 04:05:02 PM »
Well a fairly minor injury can alter your mechanics if you try and pitch through it and stay off the DL.  And a slight adjustment in mechanics can lead to a major hit to your numbers.  I don't know all the details with Bear Claw, but I'm sure the Nats did their homework.  Even if he is a bust, it was a very low-risk move.

Agree.

He did a DL stint in August with a shoulder impingement which equals thalidomide baby

A DL stint for a dude who's getting crushed doesn't always mean he's actually hurt, but you'd think a fake injury wouldn't be a shoulder injury, must less a Flipper issue.

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« Reply #92: October 10, 2018, 04:09:00 PM »
He missed time right after the all-star break due to an unnamed illness. So who knows, could be a combination of events. The Nats weren't going to use the slot money so might as well trade for another wild hard thrower

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #93: October 10, 2018, 04:47:25 PM »
He missed time right after the all-star break due to an unnamed illness. So who knows, could be a combination of events. The Nats weren't going to use the slot money so might as well trade for another wild hard thrower
somewhere, Klej and HRod are thinking of comeback.

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« Reply #94: October 10, 2018, 05:04:32 PM »
somewhere, Klej and HRod are thinking of comeback.

Henry Rodriguez the reason MLB extended the netting

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« Reply #95: October 10, 2018, 06:59:29 PM »


Not too many potential matches with the Nats there, I'm afraid.  That team way overachieved to even do what it did.  AZ doesn't have many guys left who are (1) good; (2) not crazy expensive; and (3) play a position where the Nats don't already have a lot of salary and/or players.  Ray might be a possibility, as might some of the relievers.   I worry about Greinke ending up in Philly or Atlanta.

Arizona has plenty of talent worth trading for

Greinke
Godley
Ray
Bradley
Macfarland
Walker
Peralta
Marte

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« Reply #96: October 10, 2018, 07:49:36 PM »
Barraclough has declined every year hes been in MLB. Hes middle relief fodder at this point. Would rather have the signing pool money

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« Reply #97: October 10, 2018, 08:02:03 PM »
Arizona has plenty of talent worth trading for

Greinke - crazy expensive
Godley - not good (1.5 good years, 2  crappy ones)
Ray - as above, a possibility
Bradley - same (reliever)
Macfarland - possibly, but 1 good year after a run of crap. 
Walker - coming off TJS.   Who knows what he looks like now?
Peralta - where would he play?
Marte - possibly, but why would they include him in a fire sale unless they're going full-on Marlins?  He's signed cheaply and won't go through arbitration.  If so, then sure, but expect to overpay given the contract situation.

Responses above. 

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« Reply #98: October 10, 2018, 08:14:09 PM »
Barraclough has declined every year hes been in MLB. Hes middle relief fodder at this point. Would rather have the signing pool money

I agree. Desperate signing, hoping Barraclough can recapture at least some of what he once had. I understand the desperation (our BP is enough to scare the bejeezus out of any GM/manager) but ... as you say, the pool $ would seem more valuable -- to use ourselves or as a chip in a "better" trade.

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« Reply #99: October 10, 2018, 08:20:44 PM »
I agree. Desperate signing, hoping Barraclough can recapture at least some of what he once had. I understand the desperation (our BP is enough to scare the bejeezus out of any GM/manager) but ... as you say, the pool $ would seem more valuable -- to use ourselves or as a chip in a "better" trade.
Desperate? They gave up some international money. Not exactly risky.  In his first year of arbitration. Contract will not break the bank.