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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #25: October 04, 2018, 04:10:38 PM »
If I were Zim's agent, I'd be telling him he's looking at $25MM over the next 2 years, with the last year liekely being someplace other than DC.  That's $18MM, a $2MM buyout, and a $5MM free agent contract somewhere in 2020.  Facing that, I'd try to get the Nats to agree to $30MM for 2019-2021, maybe with an option for 2022 and a buyout.  Lower his AAV to help the team, and get to stay in DC.  It bites him if he has a year like 2017 next year, but otherwise, he gets decent money and stays in town.

I don't see the Nats wanting to commit money to Zim beyond this season under any scenario.  We'll be fortunate to get a decently productive season this year, give him his 2 mill, and honor him for his years as a Nat.  He may find a job in the AL as a DH after this season, but unless he has a year in 2019 like 2017, I think there will BARELY be any market for him with the way things have been in recent years for players with his profile. 

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« Reply #26: October 04, 2018, 04:27:11 PM »
My vote is for Grandal at catcher.

At 2B, I like the idea of signing Dozier short-term at a major discount and hoping he bounces back.  Groom Kieboom to take over.
Let Kieboom play SS and move Turner to 2B

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« Reply #27: October 04, 2018, 04:28:32 PM »
Kieboom has a long way to go to prove he should be moving established MLB'ers off their position.

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« Reply #28: October 04, 2018, 04:30:18 PM »
Let Kieboom play SS and move Turner to 2B

Why would you do this? Just move Kieboom to 2B if you really want him to play.

Offline DPMOmaha

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« Reply #29: October 04, 2018, 04:37:59 PM »
If you're going to move Turner to 2B, it's going to be because you're bringing in Andrelton Simmons or an elite defender. Turner's fine at SS. You need someone clearly better than him to move him off that spot. Kieboom isn't at that level, at least not yet.

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« Reply #30: October 04, 2018, 05:42:01 PM »
Oh that's a load of horsecrap and I'm tired of hearing "you don't pay x  y dollars to do z".  Yeah, you wouldn't go sign someone and pay him 18 million for that. We're stuck with him, he's getting 18M no matter how he is used. If they decide how he is used based on his pay they're  fools.

No, what's a load of horsecrap is believing that Matt Adams is a better first baseman than Ryan Zimmerman when  he's healthy.

Adams hit .257/.332   /.510 with a wRC+ of 123. While that's fine, it's nothing to write home about. He's basically CJ Cron. The idea that you're going to essentially bench a healthy Zimmerman for that is asinine.

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« Reply #31: October 04, 2018, 05:49:23 PM »
If I were Zim's agent, I'd be telling him he's looking at $25MM over the next 2 years, with the last year liekely being someplace other than DC.  That's $18MM, a $2MM buyout, and a $5MM free agent contract somewhere in 2020.  Facing that, I'd try to get the Nats to agree to $30MM for 2019-2021, maybe with an option for 2022 and a buyout.  Lower his AAV to help the team, and get to stay in DC.  It bites him if he has a year like 2017 next year, but otherwise, he gets decent money and stays in town.

Zimmerman is 34. Does he honestly care about another year in 2021?


Two starting pitchers
Two relievers
Second baseman
Catcher
Backup first baseman

I don't see how you fill out all that with the money the Nats have. Trades are going to have to happen.

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« Reply #32: October 04, 2018, 07:08:21 PM »
I'd give up Keiboom (as the main part of a package) to get Starlin Castro and JT Realmuto from the fish. I think Castro is overpaid, but he'd be an improvement over Difo, and Realmuto can be the back up first baseman and rotate there on his off day. Would leave you 41 million to get two starters.

Don't know what it would take to get Sonny Gray, but I would give it a shot. Maybe Wil Crowe and  Daniel Johnson.

Offline Ray D

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« Reply #33: October 04, 2018, 08:08:19 PM »
No, what's a load of horsecrap is believing that Matt Adams is a better first baseman than Ryan Zimmerman when  he's healthy.
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I don't believe that. I believe that Adams is better than Zimmerman against right handed pitchers. And that's really all we're talking about.

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« Reply #34: October 04, 2018, 08:15:39 PM »
I don't believe that. I believe that Adams is better than Zimmerman against right handed pitchers. And that's really all we're talking about.

RZ career vs RHP: .270 / .329 / .461
Matt Adams: .279 / .330 / .495

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« Reply #35: October 04, 2018, 08:20:33 PM »
I don't believe that. I believe that Adams is better than Zimmerman against right handed pitchers. And that's really all we're talking about.

Well you're wrong. Zim has proven when hes healthy, hes an All Stat

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« Reply #36: October 04, 2018, 08:23:05 PM »
RZ career vs RHP: .270 / .329 / .461
Matt Adams: .279 / .330 / .495

Adam's hit .243 against RHP last season. Hes a nice backup,  but no one serious is starting a low .800 OPS bat at first

Offline Natsinpwc

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« Reply #37: October 04, 2018, 08:32:29 PM »
Adam's hit .243 against RHP last season. Hes a nice backup,  but no one serious is starting a low .800 OPS bat at first
When Zimm is on the DL for two months who is going to play?

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« Reply #38: October 04, 2018, 08:45:52 PM »
When Zimm is on the DL for two months who is going to play?

Better question. But platooning him is idiotic.

Offline aBaltoNat

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« Reply #39: October 04, 2018, 11:29:55 PM »
Listen to Denver sports radio every weekday morning and evening to/from work. It's pretty much a given they aren't bringing Lemahieu back, just can't afford it with the other folks they need to take care of soon (namely the ability to re-sign Arenado).

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« Reply #40: October 05, 2018, 07:45:45 AM »
Better question. But platooning him is idiotic.
What is the statistical argument that a Zimmerman/Adam's platoon wouldn't work?

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« Reply #41: October 05, 2018, 08:11:22 AM »
What is the statistical argument that a Zimmerman/Adam's platoon wouldn't work?

Zimm has roughly the same career stats as Adams against RHP.

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« Reply #42: October 05, 2018, 08:12:17 AM »
Listen to Denver sports radio every weekday morning and evening to/from work. It's pretty much a given they aren't bringing Lemahieu back, just can't afford it with the other folks they need to take care of soon (namely the ability to re-sign Arenado).

Away from Coors the guy is worse than Difo

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« Reply #43: October 05, 2018, 08:17:01 AM »
What is the statistical argument that a Zimmerman/Adam's platoon wouldn't work?
When Zimmerman is healthy, he is an all star

When Adams is healthy, hes a meh first baseman

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« Reply #44: October 05, 2018, 08:40:59 AM »
When Zimmerman is healthy, he is an all star

When Adams is healthy, hes a meh first baseman
The problem is he cannot stay healthy. And didn’t he wear down in 2017 when he played most of the season?

And he may be gone after this year. So you sign someone to a two or three year contract. Preferably someone who can also play a little OF. Like Lind and Adams. They split time. They have no first baseman replacement in the minors so need to do something.


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« Reply #45: October 05, 2018, 08:41:49 AM »
Away from Coors the guy is worse than Difo

Really dont understand the desire for him. Who has come out of Coors and hit well?

Hes a career .264   /.311/.362 hitter away from Coors. If that's what we want, why not sign Iglesias for half what LeMahieu will cost, push Turner over to 2B, and at least improve our defense

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« Reply #46: October 05, 2018, 12:01:15 PM »
Chris Rosenbaum who ran advance scouting is gone too

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« Reply #47: October 05, 2018, 01:07:21 PM »
I'd give up Keiboom (as the main part of a package) to get Starlin Castro and JT Realmuto from the fish. I think Castro is overpaid, but he'd be an improvement over Difo, and Realmuto can be the back up first baseman and rotate there on his off day. Would leave you 41 million to get two starters.

Don't know what it would take to get Sonny Gray, but I would give it a shot. Maybe Wil Crowe and  Daniel Johnson.

THIS.

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« Reply #48: October 05, 2018, 01:08:42 PM »
THIS.

Kieboom isn’t enough to be the main piece of a deal like that. 

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« Reply #49: October 05, 2018, 01:10:09 PM »
I'm not advocating for Lemahieu, just correcting the guy saying he most likely won't be available.