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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1400: February 06, 2019, 03:31:25 PM »
Good offseason gets better. They're stockpiling some back of the rotation depth after it bit them a few times past few years.

Not sure why people are confused about the Nats going to arbitration over $250k. If the Nats told him, "Our best offer is ____" and then he set his number above that then they have to go to arbitration. Nationals won. I like Taylor, but I'm sick of waiting for his permanent breakout.

MAT is a "toolsy" guy that just may never breakout, or maybe given the opportunity, he could still do it late in his career.  Pham was a similarly "toolsy" OF that brokeout in 2017 even older than MAT is.  Different circumstances.  I just don't see it happening in DC.  We'll keep him as a 4th OF unless someone offers a trade that is worth more than he is in that 4th OF role.  I tend to believe he plays out the year as a reserve in DC.  If we bring Harper back, I still think he stays as 4th OF and Eaton is the guy to be dealt. 

Offline bluestreak

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« Reply #1401: February 06, 2019, 03:31:49 PM »
Where do you draw the line if that is always the policy to just give the player what they want?  If you'll do it for 250K, then why wouldn't you for another 250K for 500K total?  And so on and so forth.

I don’t know what the line is, but there definitely is one. I know I wouldn’t walk away from a house over $1000 bucks or a car over $50.  But I would over $20,000 and $1000 respectively.


Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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« Reply #1402: February 06, 2019, 03:39:37 PM »
I don’t know what the line is, but there definitely is one. I know I wouldn’t walk away from a house over $1000 bucks or a car over $50.  But I would over $20,000 and $1000 respectively.

He got what, 3+million?  250K is a significant portion of that.  You can't just give that large a percentage extra to all your arbitration guys because what the heck.  The numbers are crunched very precisely based on performance and comparative players in the same position and year of arbitration historically.  It doesn't come off the top of their head, and 250K is significant. 

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« Reply #1403: February 06, 2019, 03:46:54 PM »
He got what, 3+million?  250K is a significant portion of that.  You can't just give that large a percentage extra to all your arbitration guys because what the heck.  The numbers are crunched very precisely based on performance and comparative players in the same position and year of arbitration historically.  It doesn't come off the top of their head, and 250K is significant.

The thing is though, if it's a guy you want to keep around, and keep happy, you avoid arbitration and work out a compromise in the first place. If you don't give a rat's ass about the player's morale or happiness with the management, you go to arb. I mean, they basically have to sit and list all the reasons they feel MAT isn't as good or valuable as he says he is. Listening to your boss trash your performance for a few hours straight - and then winning - does NOT make a person happy.

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1404: February 06, 2019, 03:47:50 PM »
IMO the Nats sent a message to Taylor to put up or shut up by going to arb over 250k.

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« Reply #1405: February 06, 2019, 03:50:45 PM »
Didn't someone just say split the difference and shake on it?  So it should have only been 125,000 given by each side.  The arbitration process probably cost more than that.

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1406: February 06, 2019, 03:52:26 PM »
IMO the Nats sent a message to Taylor to put up or shut up by going to arb over 250k.
Put up or shut up, but even if you put up, you're probably not going to be more than a 4th outfielder  :)

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1407: February 06, 2019, 03:54:57 PM »
Good offseason gets better. They're stockpiling some back of the rotation depth after it bit them a few times past few years.

Not sure why people are confused about the Nats going to arbitration over $250k. If the Nats told him, "Our best offer is ____" and then he set his number above that then they have to go to arbitration. Nationals won. I like Taylor, but I'm sick of waiting for his permanent breakout.

I think you're right

Offline bluestreak

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« Reply #1408: February 06, 2019, 03:57:05 PM »
Who knows, maybe he didn’t budge because he was already pissed because of how Davey used him last year.

And this makes even less sense with Barraclough. Bring a guy in to play a big role and the teams first offcial action is to play hardball for every last dollar. Sometimes I wonder if these guys understand baseball, but not human interaction.

Offline dracnal

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« Reply #1409: February 06, 2019, 04:01:45 PM »
Who knows, maybe he didn’t budge because he was already pissed because of how Davey used him last year.

And this makes even less sense with Barraclough. Bring a guy in to play a big role and the teams first offcial action is to play hardball for every last dollar. Sometimes I wonder if these guys understand baseball, but not human interaction.

I want to say the Nats had a habit of going to arbitration WAY higher than most teams back in the 2008-2012 years, then seemed to reach more settlements up until this year. Not sure where to look it up and I don't have the time to dig; if anyone knows how to find it, can you post their arby numbers for the last decade?

Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1410: February 06, 2019, 04:02:51 PM »
The thing is though, if it's a guy you want to keep around, and keep happy, you avoid arbitration and work out a compromise in the first place. If you don't give a rat's ass about the player's morale or happiness with the management, you go to arb. I mean, they basically have to sit and list all the reasons they feel MAT isn't as good or valuable as he says he is. Listening to your boss trash your performance for a few hours straight - and then winning - does NOT make a person happy.

I know how it works.  I've helped a MLB agent on arbitration filings.  As I said before, yea they don't go to arbitration over 250K if MAT is expected to be a cornerstone.  He's not. 

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1412: February 07, 2019, 03:53:46 PM »
discussion of a trade between the Phillies and the Marlins moved to . . . can you guess . . . the out of town scoreboard thread on offseason moves not involving the Nats. 

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1413: February 08, 2019, 05:49:16 PM »
Gott DFA’d to clear a spot for Hellickson. 

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« Reply #1414: February 08, 2019, 05:58:09 PM »
Gott DFA’d to clear a spot for Hellickson.

Well....we lost that trade.


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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1416: February 12, 2019, 11:37:56 PM »
If we’re not getting Harper, how about Kimbrel?

Offline hotshot

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« Reply #1417: February 13, 2019, 09:03:54 AM »
If we’re not getting Harper, how about Kimbrel?

He's entered the Papelbon phase of his career -- the part after Pap left the Sox. Meaning big pay, rapidly diminishing results. We need what all teams value, a closer who you have confidence in when he takes the mound in the 9th. That really hasn't been Kimbrel for awhile now.

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« Reply #1418: February 13, 2019, 09:53:09 AM »
If we’re not getting Harper, how about Kimbrel?

It would be hard for me to watch that.

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« Reply #1419: February 13, 2019, 10:08:14 AM »
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#SFGiants acquire RHP Trevor Gott from #Nationals, source tells The Athletic. No word yet on return.

No one else has this yet.

Offline Duke of Earl

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1420: February 13, 2019, 10:24:55 AM »
If we’re not getting Harper, how about Kimbrel?
They will have to spray the entire stadium with deodorant whenever he pitches.

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1421: February 13, 2019, 10:32:04 AM »
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#SFGiants acquire RHP Trevor Gott from #Nationals, source tells The Athletic. No word yet on return.

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Bag of chips. And a small one at that.

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« Reply #1422: February 13, 2019, 11:06:53 AM »
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#SFGiants acquire RHP Trevor Gott from #Nationals, source tells The Athletic. No word yet on return.

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The Giants have acquired right-hander Trevor Gott from the Nationals in exchange for cash considerations. Johnny Cueto was moved to the 60-day DL to clear a spot on the 40-man roster.

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« Reply #1423: February 13, 2019, 11:34:11 AM »
Bag of chips. And a small one at that.

Cash Money, apparently.

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Re: 2018-2019 Offseason Moves
« Reply #1424: February 13, 2019, 02:03:00 PM »
Cash is as good as money