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Offline Natsinpwc

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Re: NCAA Basketball 2017-2018
« Reply #125: February 21, 2018, 09:30:41 AM »
everyone cheats. Do you ever wonder why world class athletes who can attend any school they want to decide that living in a craphole like Eugene or Baton Rouge is a good way to spend their gap year before the NBA?
They got caught. So cheaters and dumb.

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« Reply #126: February 21, 2018, 12:03:07 PM »
Cheaters always prosper? I know they all probably cheat but Pitino and his program seemed totally out of control.

Why does Howard Porter come to mind?

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« Reply #127: February 21, 2018, 12:10:02 PM »
They got caught. So cheaters and dumb.

:shrug: you can't erase the fans' memories or take away the funds the school raised those years. I'd be fine with my school cheating it's way to a title even if it meant vacating it years later

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« Reply #128: February 21, 2018, 12:30:11 PM »
:shrug: you can't erase the fans' memories or take away the funds the school raised those years. I'd be fine with my school cheating it's way to a title even if it meant vacating it years later
I remember Villanova having its victories and second place finish in 1969 taken away because a player signed early with an agent.  This one seems like a no brainier to me. I'm surprised North Carolina dodged a bullet with all the phony course stuff. From what I am hearing some more of the FBI investigation is leaking out and the press will time it for release just as March Madness is starting. More big name schools ready to go down.

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« Reply #129: February 21, 2018, 12:32:54 PM »
Why does Howard Porter come to mind?
Didn't see your post before I posted the earlier response. Seemed much less aggregious than what is happening now. I believe LaSalles undefeated team a couple years before that did not play post season after being banned. I don't really know what the answer is except maybe just paying them. Of course work alumni will still want to offer his more money.

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« Reply #130: February 21, 2018, 12:36:09 PM »
I remember Villanova having its victories and second place finish in 1969 taken away because a player signed early with an agent.  This one seems like a no brainier to me. I'm surprised North Carolina dodged a bullet with all the phony course stuff. From what I am hearing some more of the FBI investigation is leaking out and the press will time it for release just as March Madness is starting. More big name schools ready to go down.

College basketball is corrupt to the core. It almost has to be, it's a multi billion dollar industry with coaches and ADs making making millions all reliant on unpaid students with the biggest compensation being free tuition which is irrelevant to the best players. Every time a kid decides to attend a school that isn't the obvious choice (i.e. kentucky if they're headed pro after a year, duke or stanford if they probably won't go pro, or something that makes sense geographically), I just assume money changed hands- there's no reason not to

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« Reply #131: February 21, 2018, 12:40:09 PM »
College basketball is corrupt to the core. It almost has to be, it's a multi billion dollar industry with coaches and ADs making making millions all reliant on unpaid students with the biggest compensation being free tuition which is irrelevant to the best players. Every time a kid decides to attend a school that isn't the obvious choice (i.e. kentucky if they're headed pro after a year, duke or stanford if they probably won't go pro, or something that makes sense geographically), I just assume money changed hands- there's no reason not to
They should just let the kids go pro out of high school. They pretended to change that rule for the kids but it was for the schools   

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« Reply #132: February 21, 2018, 12:42:25 PM »
They should just let the kids go pro out of high school. They pretended to change that rule for the kids but it was for the schools   

I doubt the NBA cares much about college ball; I think it was to save dumb NBA gms from themselves as much as anything. Now they at least get to see kids play against college players for a year before drafting them. I'd like to see the G league because relevant and absorb the kids who have no interest in actually going to college.

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« Reply #133: February 21, 2018, 12:57:15 PM »
They should just let the kids go pro out of high school. They pretended to change that rule for the kids but it was for the schools

The NBA actually wants to make it two years in college. This rule isn’t for the kids it’s for the league. The NBA was not made better by influx of immature players with very little grasp of fundamental basketball.

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« Reply #134: February 21, 2018, 01:50:07 PM »
The NBA actually wants to make it two years in college. This rule isn’t for the kids it’s for the league. The NBA was not made better by influx of immature players with very little grasp of fundamental basketball.

Are you saying Kwame Brown wasn't a polished player out of HS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft

Everyone trying to be the next Moses Malone.

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« Reply #135: February 21, 2018, 01:54:23 PM »
Are you saying Kwame Brown wasn't a polished player out of HS?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_NBA_draft

Everyone trying to be the next Moses Malone.

I wonder if the bust rate is higher or lower for high school students

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« Reply #136: February 21, 2018, 02:03:16 PM »
College basketball is corrupt to the core. It almost has to be, it's a multi billion dollar industry with coaches and ADs making making millions all reliant on unpaid students with the biggest compensation being free tuition which is irrelevant to the best players. Every time a kid decides to attend a school that isn't the obvious choice (i.e. kentucky if they're headed pro after a year, duke or stanford if they probably won't go pro, or something that makes sense geographically), I just assume money changed hands- there's no reason not to

Duke and Stanford cheat as well.

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« Reply #137: February 21, 2018, 02:10:54 PM »
Duke and Stanford cheat as well.

of course they do, they're also a far more logical choice for a kid who is good enough to play at that level but not go pro than oklahoma state

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« Reply #138: February 21, 2018, 02:16:31 PM »
of course they do, they're also a far more logical choice for a kid who is good enough to play at that level but not go pro than oklahoma state

Durham and Stillwater are pretty equivalent.     :couch:

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« Reply #139: February 23, 2018, 07:42:49 AM »
From what I am hearing some more of the FBI investigation is leaking out and the press will time it for release just as March Madness is starting. More big name schools ready to go down.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html



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Offline mitlen

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« Reply #143: February 23, 2018, 05:17:43 PM »
34?  Frank Reich says "pshaw..."

Frank did it 6 points at a time.



Offline 1995hoo

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« Reply #146: February 24, 2018, 04:49:59 PM »
Halftime in Pittsburgh. UVA leading 30–7. Pittsburgh went 1 for 22 from the floor. Just wow.

Pitt booed off the floor because they played for the last shot at the end of the half (and they missed it).


Edited to add: Final score 66–37 sounds a lot closer than it really was. Pitt actually managed to score more points against UVA than Clemson did, and Clemson were a top-25 team (whereas Pitt are now 0–17 in the ACC).

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« Reply #147: February 24, 2018, 07:02:54 PM »
Halftime in Pittsburgh. UVA leading 30–7. Pittsburgh went 1 for 22 from the floor. Just wow.

Pitt booed off the floor because they played for the last shot at the end of the half (and they missed it).


Edited to add: Final score 66–37 sounds a lot closer than it really was. Pitt actually managed to score more points against UVA than Clemson did, and Clemson were a top-25 team (whereas Pitt are now 0–17 in the ACC).

Sister, brother-in-law and various family members attended the Wake Forest game (at Pitt) the other night.     Said the few thousand fans in attendance weren't real happy then either  ...   though they only lost by 5.    Pitt has really fallen off the cliff since (and late in the tenure of) Dixon.    I don't think movin' to the ACC helped much either.    I know a few recruits have bailed out over the last few years as well.    It's a shame.   IMHO, Pitt had a decent program.    Pitt has as much in common with the ACC as MD does with the B1G.     Maybe Pitt needs better contacts in the agent community.     :)     Looks like the W. PA guy and Pitt grad, Sean Miller, will have some free time.    Perhaps he'll give Stallings a letter of introduction.

OT  ..........   Back in the day, Miller was a "big deal" kid ball handler in the area (W. PA).    He played HS ball at Blackhawk (where his dad was the coach).    This is his appearance on the Tonight Show:


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« Reply #148: February 24, 2018, 09:15:01 PM »
With Pitt, if you’re a sought after recruit, why go there? If there is no good answer, you have to pay more or lose

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« Reply #149: February 24, 2018, 09:18:05 PM »
With Pitt, if you’re a sought after recruit, why go there? If there is no good answer, you have to pay more or lose

Steelers are on TV every week.     :couch:



I was thinking earlier that if Pitt is already cheatin', they're gettin' screwed.