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Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #700: October 02, 2018, 08:54:07 AM »
salary floor is more important than a hard cap.  Floors will prevent tanking and sell offs of stars and will get talent distributed. 

Mlbpa would agree to that, but it won’t happen without a cap which they adamantly oppose. To make either realistic, you probably need increased revenue sharing which the large market teams would fight tooth and nail

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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« Reply #701: October 02, 2018, 10:47:21 AM »
you just can't do that in baseball with the farm system.  You can't promote Syracuse or Fresno.

If Wigan can be in the Premier League, as they were, Fresno can be in the major leagues.

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Re: MLB & Division Watching (2018)
« Reply #702: October 02, 2018, 10:50:56 AM »
The luxury tax is onerous enough that even the big money  teams take it into account.  The Red Sox I think are the only team this year that is near the highest threshold and it impacted their deals in July and August.  Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs I think all are below the lower threshold and out of the tax altogether.  There's no functional floor at all.  You would think you could put in things like losing revenue sharing if you don't spend 140% of your shared revenues. 

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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« Reply #703: October 02, 2018, 02:41:54 PM »
The luxury tax is onerous enough that even the big money  teams take it into account.  The Red Sox I think are the only team this year that is near the highest threshold and it impacted their deals in July and August.  Yankees, Dodgers, and Cubs I think all are below the lower threshold and out of the tax altogether.  There's no functional floor at all.  You would think you could put in things like losing revenue sharing if you don't spend 140% of your shared revenues.

I like that idea, although 140% seems a bit low - that basically allows teams to have 60% of their payroll funded by others (either via luxury tax or other shared revenues).  It might be more effective to tie the line to a percentage multiple of the average MLB salary. 

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« Reply #704: October 02, 2018, 02:57:59 PM »
I like that idea, although 140% seems a bit low - that basically allows teams to have 60% of their payroll funded by others (either via luxury tax or other shared revenues).  It might be more effective to tie the line to a percentage multiple of the average MLB salary. 
It's low, but I think there are teams that don't even meet that (SWAG).

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« Reply #705: October 02, 2018, 03:09:08 PM »
It's low, but I think there are teams that don't even meet that (SWAG).

I think this season, nobody fell under the line (revenue sharing max payment was ~$30 million and the lowest payroll was ~60 million), but that's probably been the case in the recent past - like that Marlins team that had was around $40 million a couple of years ago.

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« Reply #706: October 02, 2018, 03:15:27 PM »
They could always mirror the competitive balance tax on the other end and just assess the same penalties for being under instead of over. Since relagation isn’t possible, another pie in the sky would be to halve the years of team control both at major and minor league levels and to start arbitration in a player’s second year. It would probably depress the value of free agents as a whole since a lot of teams probably match payroll to revenue, but it would make having a team of league minimum players a lot harder

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« Reply #707: October 02, 2018, 03:52:35 PM »
I like the salary floor idea. I don’t know how much it would help competitiveness overall, but it probably would help more players get signed. I really think that playoff expansion is the best option. A sixteen team playoff means more teams involved in October and more teams fighting to make it into the last couple of seeds over the regular season. Thus, more teams involved in meaningful games and more reason for fans to get invested.

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« Reply #708: October 02, 2018, 04:13:03 PM »
One of the things I don’t like about hockey and basketball is how their everyone even kind of good gets in post season renders the regular season meaningless

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« Reply #709: October 02, 2018, 06:06:11 PM »
One of the things I don’t like about hockey and basketball is how their everyone even kind of good gets in post season renders the regular season meaningless
It gives fans of the kind of good teams a reason to go to games.

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« Reply #710: October 02, 2018, 06:33:47 PM »
Kind of like pointy ball bowl games.
One of the things I don’t like about hockey and basketball is how their everyone even kind of good gets in post season renders the regular season meaningless

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« Reply #711: October 02, 2018, 08:06:19 PM »
Kind of like pointy ball bowl games.

40 winner means everyone gets sprinkles because they’re all winners

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« Reply #712: October 03, 2018, 05:26:03 PM »
Quote from: Joel Sherman
Source: qualifying offer this offseason has been set at $17.9 million.

I wonder if the Nats trading Murphy and maybe Gio made it easier for them to find jobs this winter?

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« Reply #713: October 03, 2018, 06:24:32 PM »
I wonder if the Nats trading Murphy and maybe Gio made it easier for them to find jobs this winter?

Murphy can't be offered a QA. It's now a one-time deal.

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« Reply #714: October 03, 2018, 06:34:10 PM »
Murphy can't be offered a QA. It's now a one-time deal.
That's my point.

Offline Elvir Ovcina

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« Reply #715: October 03, 2018, 06:46:24 PM »
That's my point.

I think you're talking past each other a bit.  Murphy's ability to receive a QO wasn't affected by his trade: he has already received one in his career, so he's not eligible for one for that reason.  Nothing to do with the trade.  Whether the trade alone makes it easier for him to find work is a different point.

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« Reply #716: October 03, 2018, 06:56:36 PM »
I think you're talking past each other a bit.  Murphy's ability to receive a QO wasn't affected by his trade: he has already received one in his career, so he's not eligible for one for that reason.  Nothing to do with the trade.  Whether the trade alone makes it easier for him to find work is a different point.
I didn't realize the first point. My thought was simply that because they were traded, their new teams couldn't offer QA's and considering the market last year, there might me more competition for their services, especially Gio.

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« Reply #717: October 03, 2018, 07:45:32 PM »
Buck Showalter was fired.

Offline blue911

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« Reply #718: October 03, 2018, 07:51:23 PM »
Buck Showalter was fired.

Good. What an insufferable twat

Offline Mattionals

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« Reply #719: October 03, 2018, 08:16:00 PM »
Buck Showalter was fired.

He was Dusty'd. Borioles didn't extend his contract. Apparently they also didn't extend Duquette.

Pretty decent situation in that the new GM basically can hire all new coat he's from top to bottom, and build an entire new scouting department, new stats department, etc. Problem is, Angelos Boys are awful like their father and that roster and farm system is garbage. It's going to be a long rebuild.



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« Reply #722: October 05, 2018, 04:00:22 PM »
Nats ratings were down 10% too
Surprised it wasn’t more.

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« Reply #723: October 12, 2018, 04:25:52 PM »
Didi Gregorius has to have Tommy John surgery and will be out at least half of next year :(

https://nypost.com/2018/10/12/didi-gregorius-needs-tommy-john-surgery-in-yankees-downer/

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« Reply #724: October 12, 2018, 04:40:26 PM »
Didi Gregorius has to have Tommy John surgery and will be out at least half of next year :(

https://nypost.com/2018/10/12/didi-gregorius-needs-tommy-john-surgery-in-yankees-downer/

The Yankees would be a nice landing spot for Daniel Murphy