Author Topic: Fire Dave Martinez - "I don’t ever want these guys to feel pressure"  (Read 60912 times)

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Offline Greg_SRT

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Sorry about that. I’ll try to shorten. (Don’t look at my last on GDT then lol)

Offline Ray D

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The standard response here when someone refutes someone’s theory or opinion with data is to throw out the old “you don’t understand baseball” or “you’re parroting what you hear on TV.” Used to annoy me.

It still annoys the hell out of me.  And I hope I never get to the point that it doesn't.

Offline tzinc

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basing everything on playoff results is ridiculous

baseball is a marathon not a sprint

many players have terrible playoff records and no one ever got rid of a player because of their playoff record

dusty made the playoffs time after time that is his worth once in there anything can happen in short series

i have watched baseball and dusty's playoffs he made no ridiculous moves no more so than Maddon Maddon made some horrible moves in the playoffs vs the Nats

the reality is you can only win a ws if you make the playoffs if you have a manager always making the playoffs then you stick with him because eventually they might win the ws by missing the playoffs you guarantee you won't win it lol


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I agree with Spider that "you don't have a clue" is mild stuff, and we all criticize each other's knowledge of baseball.


:wtf:  I'm not involved in this back and forth

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:wtf:  I'm not involved in this back and forth

He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

Offline DCFan

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Can't we all just get along?  :whistle:

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He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....

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He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....
oops.  I did.  sorry.  :worship:

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He confused you with PB. Interpret that as you will....



that's what concerned me

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Baseball isn’t quantum physics or neurosurgery.


Apparently you don’t realize that there’s nothing harder in the galaxy

Offline LoveAngelos

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Davey can't set aline up that works and stay with it.

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Davey can't set aline up that works and stay with it.
Because the next game, that lineup gets shut out.

This is just one in a history of weak responses by the players.  2013, 2014 postseason, 2015, and 2016 post season.

Rizzo needs to gut the house

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Because the next game, that lineup gets shut out.

This is just one in a history of weak responses by the players.  2013, 2014 postseason, 2015, and 2016 post season.

Rizzo needs to gut the house
well, that's coming with all the contracts that are up.

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I count one mistake so far this season.

This is what started this. I will back off and let everyone decide what they think of that statement.

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Davey is a dead man walking. Fired at the all star break. 

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Todd Dybas has a good article on why both the starters and bullpen are tired. The starters are at the top of the league in innings, which would mean that the pen should be well rested, except that Martinez is swapping them out so often that they have a high number of appearances.

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So, the rotation leading the league in innings should mean the bullpen is not being pulverized. And, the innings pitched by the bullpen would second that notion. It is 14th in the National League coming into Tuesday’s game... Martinez has been caught in the trap where he’s burned both ends of the candle this season. His starting pitchers carried the bullpen until they couldn’t, but his shallow use of the options out there has also fatigued the bullpen by game 90. It’s a problem.

https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/07/10/nationals-have-paths-to-fix-pitching-question-is-how-long-it-will-take/

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Davey is a dead man walking. Fired at the all star break. 

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Offline Optics

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Davey is clearly learning on the job but I do think he is growing into it. I'm not going to blame him for Gio and Roark, proven vets, crapping the bed or Harper hitting under .220.

Offline rileyn

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Todd Dybas has a good article on why both the starters and bullpen are tired. The starters are at the top of the league in innings, which would mean that the pen should be well rested, except that Martinez is swapping them out so often that they have a high number of appearances.

https://thesportscapitol.com/2018/07/10/nationals-have-paths-to-fix-pitching-question-is-how-long-it-will-take/

Incredible.  So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched.  I would have never thought that was possible.  Great job, Davey.  Keep up the good work.

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Incredible.  So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched.  I would have never thought that was possible.  Great job, Davey.  Keep up the good work.

The guy has totally mismanaged the pitching staff. It’s going to be the downfall of this team, because I think eventually the bats will wake up.

Offline Natsinpwc

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The guy has totally mismanaged the pitching staff. It’s going to be the downfall of this team, because I think eventually the bats will wake up.
No reason to think the bats will wake up. Eaton and Murphy are still hurting. Wieters sucks. Difo and Taylor has mirage seasons last year. Harper can't figure it out. Despite the mismanagement they have one of the better team ERAs. It's the hitting that has failed them.

Offline Natsinpwc

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Incredible.  So Davey has somehow "managed" to have our starters lead the league in innings, and our relievers have the 2nd most innings pitched.  I would have never thought that was possible.  Great job, Davey.  Keep up the good work.
I can't access the article. Don't understand this. The excerpt quoted below says the Nats are 14th in bullpen innings? Did you mean that they have a high number of appearances although fewer innings pitched than other teams?  Otherwise this makes no sense mathematically. They cannot lead the league in starter and bullpen innings.

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I can't access the article. Don't understand this. The excerpt quoted below says the Nats are 14th in bullpen innings? Did you mean that they have a high number of appearances although fewer innings pitched than other teams?  Otherwise this makes no sense mathematically. They cannot lead the league in starter and bullpen innings.

That's it, Martinez has managed to overwork our starters in total innings and our relievers in total appearances.

Offline Natsinpwc

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That's it, Martinez has managed to overwork our starters in total innings and our relievers in total appearances.
I'm not sure total team bullpen appearances really matter. Because of injuries and promotions and demotions they have gone through lots of relievers. Is any evidence presented to show that specific relievers have more appearances than they did last year at the same time?  I know Madson was out for a while. Hard to believe Doolittke has more appearances this year than last given the team's record.

Sounds to me that most of the relievers probably have a lower pitch count this year which is good?

I'm having a hard time worrying about the pitching when the hitting has been so bad.  If you factor out a few big offensive games they might have the worst offense in MLB.

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I'm not sure total team bullpen appearances really matter. Because of injuries and promotions and demotions they have gone through lots of relievers. Is any evidence presented to show that specific relievers have more appearances than they did last year at the same time?  I know Madson was out for a while. Hard to believe Doolittke has more appearances this year than last given the team's record.

Sounds to me that most of the relievers probably have a lower pitch count this year which is good?

I'm having a hard time worrying about the pitching when the hitting has been so bad.  If you factor out a few big offensive games they might have the worst offense in MLB.

You'd have to ask Dybas for more specifics, but he did write that four guys are on pace for 60 appearances. Can't argue that getting shut out on a regular basis isn't the bigger issue.