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Offline Truconfidence

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #950: January 04, 2018, 01:36:27 PM »
Would you trade Robles/ Soto if we got both Yelich and Realmuto?

1. SS Turner
2. CF Yelich
3. RF Harper
4. 1B Zimmerman
5. 2B Murphy
6. 3B Rendon
7. LF Eaton
8. C Realmuto

Bench- Adams, Taylor, Difo

Or flip Taylor for a #3 pitcher?

Nope still would like to keep 1 but everyone else would be available. so like a package of Robles/Soto, Taylor, Difo, Fedde, C Kieboom, Romero and Glover for Yelich and Realmuto

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #951: January 04, 2018, 01:45:17 PM »
Would you trade Robles/ Soto if we got both Yelich and Realmuto?

1. SS Turner
2. CF Yelich
3. RF Harper
4. 1B Zimmerman
5. 2B Murphy
6. 3B Rendon
7. LF Eaton
8. C Realmuto

Bench- Adams, Taylor, Difo

Or flip Taylor for a #3 pitcher?

Yes, in a heartbeat.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #952: January 04, 2018, 01:45:21 PM »
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pretty sure the answer is "yes."  So, if we sent $8MM along with wieters, we'd be on the hook for lux tax purposes for $8MM. I'd appreciate a fact check from Corey or Blue911 (or anyone who really knows), but this often comes up in Red Sox deals in the past. 

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #953: January 04, 2018, 01:54:21 PM »
pretty sure the answer is "yes."  So, if we sent $8MM along with wieters, we'd be on the hook for lux tax purposes for $8MM. I'd appreciate a fact check from Corey or Blue911 (or anyone who really knows), but this often comes up in Red Sox deals in the past. 
So,  this may be a way of shedding some of Wieters' salary

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #954: January 04, 2018, 02:48:04 PM »
Man, if we could somehow get Yelich and Realmuto WHILE keeping Robles...

Would they take Soto, Fedde, Taylor, Severino, and Romero?

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #955: January 04, 2018, 03:38:54 PM »
Would you trade Robles/ Soto if we got both Yelich and Realmuto?

1. SS Turner
2. CF Yelich
3. RF Harper
4. 1B Zimmerman
5. 2B Murphy
6. 3B Rendon
7. LF Eaton
8. C Realmuto

Bench- Adams, Taylor, Difo

Or flip Taylor for a #3 pitcher?

Yes.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #956: January 04, 2018, 03:44:32 PM »
Could this work?

Nats trade: Robles, Soto, Wieters, Romero, and Goodwin

Marlins trade: Yelich, Realmuto, Ziegler, and Barraclough

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #957: January 04, 2018, 03:45:37 PM »
Man, if we could somehow get Yelich and Realmuto WHILE keeping Robles...

Would they take Soto, Fedde, Taylor, Severino, and Romero?
I think they would have the pick of Read or Severino, and I think they'd take Read.  I'd also expect us to have to put in Yasel Antuna or Luis Garcia, who are far away but high ceiling.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #958: January 04, 2018, 03:48:23 PM »
Could this work?

Nats trade: Robles, Soto, Wieters, Romero, and Goodwin

Marlins trade: Yelich, Realmuto, Ziegler, and Barraclough
I'd be reluctant to put in Soto as well as Robles just to get rid of Wieters.  We'd also probably have to put in cash.  But, I guess under your approach, we have Taylor as a 4th OF.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #959: January 04, 2018, 03:56:00 PM »
I wouldn’t give up Robles. In any situation that has come up. And I believe that the Nationals have the best chance of any team to sign Harper. I think I want Robles on the roster.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #960: January 04, 2018, 03:59:44 PM »
I'd be reluctant to put in Soto as well as Robles just to get rid of Wieters.  We'd also probably have to put in cash.  But, I guess under your approach, we have Taylor as a 4th OF.

Yes, keep Taylor as a 4th OF and DH. Let Harper walk after 2018 and roll with Yelich, Taylor, Eaton in 2019 and beyond. Nats take Ziegler's 9 million in exchange for Wieters's 10.5 million but Marlins also get two top OF prospects.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #961: January 04, 2018, 04:19:20 PM »
I'd be reluctant to put in Soto as well as Robles just to get rid of Wieters.  We'd also probably have to put in cash.  But, I guess under your approach, we have Taylor as a 4th OF.
If you have to give up a prospect to get rid of a guy on a one year deal, the logical solution is to just dfa him

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #962: January 04, 2018, 04:23:21 PM »
I am asking this seriously. Why is everyone excited to trade Robles for Yelich? Yelich is good and cheap with years of control, but Robles is cheaper, under control for longer and plays the same position. I know he’s not MLB ready but he’s close. In addition, the current center fielder was worth only 1.5 wins less than Yelich despite missing over two months.
If you wanted to trade Robles for Yelich straight up, I could see it. But giving up extra prospects? I don’t see how it makes the Nats significantly better next year or in the future.
Is giving up a big chunk of your farm system worth it for 1 extra win in CF? Or 2-3 wins if you assume a major MAT regression.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #963: January 04, 2018, 04:27:07 PM »
I'm not sure how much better Yelich makes us. Realmuto makes us a lot better.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #964: January 04, 2018, 04:29:14 PM »
I am asking this seriously. Why is everyone excited to trade Robles for Yelich? Yelich is good and cheap with years of control, but Robles is cheaper, under control for longer and plays the same position. I know he’s not MLB ready but he’s close. In addition, the current center fielder was worth only 1.5 wins less than Yelich despite missing over two months.
If you wanted to trade Robles for Yelich straight up, I could see it. But giving up extra prospects? I don’t see how it makes the Nats significantly better next year or in the future.
Is giving up a big chunk of your farm system worth it for 1 extra win in CF? Or 2-3 wins if you assume a major MAT regression.

You never know if Robles will be as good as Yelich, and Yelich has proved his value. Same goes for Realmuto, even if it is a different position. The Nats could see two stud outfielders in Robles and Soto, but Yelich and Realmuto are more known commodities. This deal would also make more sense because that means the outfield is cost controlled and fairly cheap for a few more seasons. That gives the Nats flexibility to sign another starter and lock up Rendon at 3B.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #965: January 04, 2018, 04:32:20 PM »
You never know if Robles will be as good as Yelich, and Yelich has proved his value. Same goes for Realmuto, even if it is a different position. The Nats could see two stud outfielders in Robles and Soto, but Yelich and Realmuto are more known commodities. This deal would also make more sense because that means the outfield is cost controlled and fairly cheap for a few more seasons. That gives the Nats flexibility to sign another starter and lock up Rendon at 3B.
i don’t think I’d send both. But I’d hold onto Robles. Especially if Harper walks.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #966: January 04, 2018, 04:55:11 PM »
What happened to Matt Albers? It was like mid December when it was reported his signing was imminent.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #967: January 04, 2018, 05:29:52 PM »
What happened to Matt Albers? It was like mid December when it was reported his signing was imminent.

good question, I just looked and it doesn't seem he's actually signed anywhere yet?

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #968: January 04, 2018, 08:27:38 PM »
The White Sox, Kansas City and L.A. Dodgers have completed a three-team, five-player trade, with the Sox acquiring LHP Luis Avilán, RHP Joakim Soria and cash considerations from the Dodgers in exchange for minor-league INF Jake Peter. The Dodgers acquired Soria and LHP Scott Alexander from K.C. in return for INF Erick Mejia and RHP Trevor Oaks.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #969: January 04, 2018, 08:53:40 PM »
The White Sox, Kansas City and L.A. Dodgers have completed a three-team, five-player trade, with the Sox acquiring LHP Luis Avilán, RHP Joakim Soria and cash considerations from the Dodgers in exchange for minor-league INF Jake Peter. The Dodgers acquired Soria and LHP Scott Alexander from K.C. in return for INF Erick Mejia and RHP Trevor Oaks.
and this has what to do with the Nats?

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #970: January 04, 2018, 09:01:00 PM »
and this has what to do with the Nats?

I dunno...couldn't find any out of town off season thread for it.  Been a pretty slow offseason, I guess.  Feel free to move it...or I'll do it if you tell me where to stick it...  :D

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #971: January 04, 2018, 09:18:31 PM »
I dunno...couldn't find any out of town off season thread for it.  Been a pretty slow offseason, I guess.  Feel free to move it...or I'll do it if you tell me where to stick it...  :D

Must not respond.   Must not respond.  :)

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #972: January 04, 2018, 09:20:11 PM »
Must not respond.   Must not respond.  :)

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #973: January 04, 2018, 10:06:27 PM »
Robles speed tabtilizes me. If he could put up numbers similar to Trea  Turner, this lineup would be electric.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #974: January 04, 2018, 10:16:34 PM »
Robles speed tabtilizes me. If he could put up numbers similar to Trea  Turner, this lineup would be electric.

Imagine Realmuto instead of Weiters and Yelich instead of Taylor.  That lineup is electric.