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Offline Ray D

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1075: January 16, 2018, 09:42:57 AM »
fangraphs projects them at 85 wins.

85 wins could make them a wildcard.  Haven't they won the world series twice as a wildcard?  They know what they're doing.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1076: January 20, 2018, 09:08:43 PM »
https://www.thescore.com/news/1470384

Shawn Kelley and Matt Wieters  for Archer and Ramos. Who says no?

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1077: January 20, 2018, 10:09:09 PM »
https://www.thescore.com/news/1470384

Shawn Kelley and Matt Wieters  for Archer and Ramos. Who says no?

The Rays

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1079: January 21, 2018, 12:27:01 PM »
https://www.thescore.com/news/1470384

Shawn Kelley and Matt Wieters  for Archer and Ramos. Who says no?

I fully expect Archer to be a Nat. It's a total Rizzo trade.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1081: January 21, 2018, 04:31:08 PM »
I fully expect Archer to be a Nat. It's a total Rizzo trade.

I'd bet Salazar comes cheaper and could potentially have higher upside than Archer.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1082: January 21, 2018, 04:39:07 PM »
I'd bet Salazar comes cheaper and could potentially tially have higher upside than Archer.

He has pitched well but can never stay healthy

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1083: January 21, 2018, 04:51:06 PM »
He has pitched well but can never stay healthy
This. Honestly, Salazar is probably better, and he'd be more fun to watch, but he has health issues out the ying yang.



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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1086: January 22, 2018, 11:20:10 AM »
On a one year, prove it deal?

Giving up a fairly high draft pick for a 1-year prove-it deal is likely a stumbling block to that type of deal.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1087: January 22, 2018, 11:33:47 AM »
Giving up a fairly high draft pick for a 1-year prove-it deal is likely a stumbling block to that type of deal.

Contract value has to =>$50M before draft pick(s) are involved.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1088: January 22, 2018, 12:19:27 PM »
Contract value has to =>$50M before draft pick(s) are involved.

No, that's not right.  $50 million is the dividing line between whether the team that loses the player gets a sandwich pick between the first and second rounds of the draft (>$50m) or between rounds 2 and 3 (<$50m), unless they were over the luxury tax (in which case the pick is after the fourth round, regardless of contract size).  What the signing team loses isn't dependent on contract size - it depends only on whether that team was a luxury tax payer the previous year, a revenue sharing recipient, or neither.  The Nats were a taxpayer last season, so they fit precisely into the analogy of the Dodgers in this article, which even uses Alex Cobb as the example: https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/11/07/mlb-free-agency-compensation-rules-draft-picks-qualifying-offer.  Quasi-official examples from MLB here: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualifying-offer-rules-explained/c-259650658.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1089: January 22, 2018, 01:35:23 PM »
Cool. Thanks

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1090: January 25, 2018, 07:57:17 PM »
The Nats are in talks with the Marlins for Realmuto but apparently the price is Robles (not sure if others would ride along) so who knows if it will happen.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1091: January 25, 2018, 08:38:43 PM »
The Nats are in talks with the Marlins for Realmuto but apparently the price is Robles (not sure if others would ride along) so who knows if it will happen.

Soto yes.  Robles NFW

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1092: January 25, 2018, 09:20:14 PM »
Craig Mish@cbs:

"Realmuto is heading into his age-27 season and under team control through 2020. He hit .278/.332/.451 (109 OPS+) with 31 doubles, five triples, 17 homers and 65 RBI last season. He also threw out 32 percent of attempted base-stealers last season, which is five percent above league average.

He was one of the worst in baseball at framing, according to the available metrics, but overall we're talking about a very good catcher."

Any prospect but Robles and I'm pulling the trigger as fast as I can. It'll take more than Soto but that's likely just fine.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1093: January 25, 2018, 09:25:41 PM »

He was one of the worst in baseball at framing, according to the available metrics, but overall we're talking about a very good catcher."

Any prospect but Robles and I'm pulling the trigger as fast as I can. It'll take more than Soto but that's likely just fine.

Probably been discussed more than once but when did "framing" become a thing?    When did the umps/catchers start this "dance"?   I can't put any historical context to it.


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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1094: January 25, 2018, 09:28:05 PM »
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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1095: January 25, 2018, 09:29:09 PM »
Would Soto, Carter Kieboom and Severino be enough or too much?

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1096: January 25, 2018, 09:49:04 PM »
Probably been discussed more than once but when did "framing" become a thing?    When did the umps/catchers start this "dance"?   I can't put any historical context to it.



Probably always a thing, but they only started trying to measure it a few years ago

Edit, http://grantland.com/features/studying-art-pitch-framing-catchers-such-francisco-cervelli-chris-stewart-jose-molina-others/ good read about the history of actually quantifying it

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1097: January 25, 2018, 09:49:59 PM »
Probably always a thing, but they only started trying to measure it a few years ago

Thanks HS.

Offline Ray D

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1098: January 26, 2018, 08:58:54 AM »
Probably been discussed more than once but when did "framing" become a thing?   

At least 20 years ago.  Maybe more, but it was about 20 years ago that I recall seeing a tv segment on it.

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Re: 2017-2018 Off-season Discussion Thread
« Reply #1099: January 26, 2018, 09:00:34 AM »
Wonder how many catchers in the HoF wouldn't be considered "great pitch framers" in this day of a zillion analytic categories?