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Offline LoveAngelos

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #150: October 10, 2017, 01:46:24 PM »
Dusty is a bit gut less in that he won't  do what is best for the team for fear of upsetting Werth and maybe Turner. Maybe talentless because he does not understand  the need to not pitch to Rizzo or what switching a Scherzer for Solis does to ruin any hope of winning.

Matt Williams looked to Dusty for advice when Williams was hired. Need anymore  be said?

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #151: October 10, 2017, 02:10:00 PM »
Can you find the one of him in capri pants? and I don't mean those loose, long-short jeans that hispanic men wear, I mean actual capri pants?

Nah, a picture of Chipper Jones or this:

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That's Cole Hamels if you didn't figure it out


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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #153: October 11, 2017, 08:45:20 PM »
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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #154: October 11, 2017, 08:52:45 PM »
Neither.

Offline LoveAngelos

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #155: October 11, 2017, 09:33:33 PM »
A mix

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #156: October 13, 2017, 12:44:02 PM »
Last night was a lack of concentration or brain power and a lot of gut deficiency which led to massive choking



Doesn't anyone of the coaching staf know the Heimlich maneuver???????

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #157: October 13, 2017, 12:59:36 PM »
Gutless

Offline welch

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #158: October 13, 2017, 01:14:49 PM »
Ran out of pitching. Should have started Roark, or brought him in to start the second inning. Should have had Albers pitch two innings.

Those are easy decisions to make the day after...

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #159: October 13, 2017, 01:26:09 PM »
Ran out of pitching. Should have started Roark, or brought him in to start the second inning. Should have had Albers pitch two innings.

Those are easy decisions to make the day after...
I'm going to say that Albers for 2 innings wasn't so obvious.  After he got through the 8-9-1 in the top of the 4th, his spot in the batting order came up to lead off.  They pinch hit Robles for him.  You can argue that Goodwin or Difo would have been better pinch hitters (Goodwin has the plus of letting you lift Werth and putting the new pitcher in that slot), but I don't think you let Albers bat there and keep him in for an extra inning.  He had already been warm and back down 2x before he came in, so you are pushing your luck if you get him back up for the 4th time of the evening for the 5th.  Scherzer (or Roark)  was the obvious choice for the next pitcher (Madson had thrown a ton the night before, Scherzer was on his throw day, Scherzer is the ace/ co-ace, you get beat with your best, he had an adequate warm up, etc...).  If  you want to say Albers should have come in in the 3d and pitched 2 innings, then I might be on-board with you.

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« Reply #160: October 13, 2017, 01:43:16 PM »
I would have went with Roark instead of Scherzer. I've never been a fan of starting pitchers coming out of the pen on short rest off a start. It rarely works out well. Roark was fresh and like Scherzer has a bulldog mentality and I think he'd have been okay in that spot.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #161: October 13, 2017, 01:44:58 PM »
I would have went with Roark instead of Scherzer. I've never been a fan of starting pitchers coming out of the pen on short rest off a start. It rarely works out well. Roark was fresh and like Scherzer has a bulldog mentality and I think he'd have been okay in that spot.

Might be a mindfact, but I'm not in any mood to do any research...seems to me that Tanner generally struggles the most in his first 2 innings.  He wasn't likely to be the answer...

Offline mitlen

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« Reply #162: October 13, 2017, 01:46:45 PM »
Might be a mindfact, but I'm not in any mood to do any research...  :old:


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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #163: October 13, 2017, 01:56:09 PM »
Might be a mindfact, but I'm not in any mood to do any research...seems to me that Tanner generally struggles the most in his first 2 innings.  He wasn't likely to be the answer...

That's typical of a lot of starters.  I get why he used Max, and it came so close to working out, but I've never liked using starters as relievers ever since this heartbreaking game from earlier in franchise history

http://nationalpost.com/sports/baseball/mlb/blue-monday-still-haunts-montreal-expos-fans-35-years-later-dont-even-mention-rick-mondays-name

Also, Roark kinda sucked the year we tried to use him as a reliever.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #165: October 13, 2017, 03:24:43 PM »
I don't think Scherzer was the wrong idea at the time, and I wouldn't have minded roark, the problem was dusty letting first Gio and then Scherzer stay in when things started going wrong. An elimination game is not a time to show faith in a pitcher and let them work their way through a tough situation.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #166: October 13, 2017, 03:31:45 PM »
Gio said he the reason he struggled was because managers didn't show faith in him. That motherfreaker can't leave Washington soon enough for me.

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« Reply #167: October 13, 2017, 04:53:13 PM »
Gio said he the reason he struggled was because managers didn't show faith in him. That motherfreaker can't leave Washington soon enough for me.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #168: October 13, 2017, 05:05:48 PM »
Gio said he the reason he struggled was because managers didn't show faith in him. That motherfreaker can't leave Washington soon enough for me.

OMFG

When and where?

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« Reply #169: October 13, 2017, 05:10:15 PM »
OMFG

When and where?


He said it after Matt Williams was fired. Dusty Baker had too much faith in him.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #170: October 13, 2017, 05:11:13 PM »

He said it after Matt Williams was fired.

Oh, lol.  If SDMW didn't have faith in Gio, that was one of a handful of things he actually got right.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #171: October 13, 2017, 05:12:38 PM »
I'm going to say that Albers for 2 innings wasn't so obvious.  After he got through the 8-9-1 in the top of the 4th, his spot in the batting order came up to lead off.  They pinch hit Robles for him.  You can argue that Goodwin or Difo would have been better pinch hitters (Goodwin has the plus of letting you lift Werth and putting the new pitcher in that slot), but I don't think you let Albers bat there and keep him in for an extra inning.  He had already been warm and back down 2x before he came in, so you are pushing your luck if you get him back up for the 4th time of the evening for the 5th.  Scherzer (or Roark)  was the obvious choice for the next pitcher (Madson had thrown a ton the night before, Scherzer was on his throw day, Scherzer is the ace/ co-ace, you get beat with your best, he had an adequate warm up, etc...).  If  you want to say Albers should have come in in the 3d and pitched 2 innings, then I might be on-board with you.

I know the Albers / pinch-hit problem. Meant simply that Albers was one of the few Nats pitchers, last night, who went 1-2-3 and pitched well. Wanted Roark in the second, but Gio had that strikeout inning, promising that he'd settled down. Which was junk.

Incidentally, Godwin should have played more than. Did he hurt something in Game 4?

Why have Wieters and Lobaton? Why have two defense-first (and only) catchers? Could Severino have done worse?

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #172: October 13, 2017, 05:12:50 PM »
Oh, lol.  If SDMW didn't have faith in Gio, that was one of a handful of things he actually got right.


True. Both Davey Jones and Dusty Baker trusted him and it cost the Nats big.

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #173: October 13, 2017, 06:33:25 PM »
Gio said he the reason he struggled was because managers didn't show faith in him. That motherfreaker can't leave Washington soon enough for me.

When and who did he say that to?

Just curious

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Offline Ray D

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Re: Gutless or talentless or a bit of both?
« Reply #174: October 13, 2017, 07:01:02 PM »


Why have Wieters and Lobaton? Why have two defense-first (and only) catchers?

Wieters isn't even a defensive catcher.