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Offline More of #34

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« Reply #25: October 08, 2017, 05:48:39 PM »
I absolutely hope Dusty stays!!!!!

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« Reply #26: October 08, 2017, 05:57:04 PM »
I absolutely hope Dusty stays!!!!!

Me too.    I like it when young guys do well.

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« Reply #27: October 08, 2017, 06:28:26 PM »
Outside of a 2 year span with 2 very talented teams 15 years ago he's 6-17 in the postseason. Unless that changes drastically this offseason the answer is no.

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« Reply #28: October 08, 2017, 06:38:00 PM »
Outside of a 2 year span with 2 very talented teams 15 years ago he's 6-17 in the postseason. Unless that changes drastically this offseason the answer is no.

Probably ain't many on this board who don't wish they weren't that successful on a "big stage" and not planning a luncheon; or meeting a deadline on when they should buy the new generation of laptops, etc.

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« Reply #29: October 08, 2017, 06:41:33 PM »
Outside of a 2 year span with 2 very talented teams 15 years ago he's 6-17 in the postseason. Unless that changes drastically this offseason the answer is no.

Why would you exclude successes?

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« Reply #30: October 08, 2017, 06:43:10 PM »
Probably ain't many on this board who don't wish they weren't that successful on a "big stage" and not planning a luncheon; or meeting a deadline on when they should buy the new generation of laptops, etc.

If they routinely performed poorly under the highest pressure situations of their job would anyone think it was wrong to move on to someone else?

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« Reply #31: October 08, 2017, 06:44:25 PM »
Why would you exclude successes?

They happened 15 years ago. That is relevant when discussing the future. If someone's biggest success is 1.5 decades ago then it's less relevant than the failures following it.

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« Reply #32: October 08, 2017, 06:46:22 PM »
If they routinely performed poorly under the highest pressure situations of their job would anyone think it was wrong to move on to someone else?

Sure, if the person you moved on to was more valuable.     Plus, most folks failures aren't on TV every fall.     I'm sure some of us would just love to have our work production broadcast nationwide  ....   after break and lunch.

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« Reply #33: October 08, 2017, 06:47:37 PM »
They happened 15 years ago. That is relevant when discussing the future. If someone's biggest success is 1.5 decades ago then it's less relevant than the failures following it.

Or...it just fits your narrative...


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« Reply #34: October 08, 2017, 06:50:16 PM »
Sure, if the person you moved on to was more valuable.   

You don't know that until you try it. Either you settle for a level or two below the ultimate goal or you thank someone for their time and try another option. I don't think 1 pennant in 22 years, that happened 15 years ago, is worth holding onto without postseason success this year. Get out of the division series and I'm mostly ambivalent to it but won't argue against it. Get to the World Series and it makes sense to continue what is really working. Win it all and he can have a new contract and an ownership stake.

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« Reply #35: October 08, 2017, 06:50:52 PM »
Or...it just fits your narrative...

You're right, 2002-03 is far more relevant than 2016-17 when evaluating his performance.

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« Reply #36: October 08, 2017, 06:55:14 PM »
Oh look, Halley's comet.      Beer man  !!!

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« Reply #37: October 08, 2017, 07:07:03 PM »
You're right, 2002-03 is far more relevant than 2016-17 when evaluating his performance.

So you're saying we should keep him if we get to the NLCS?


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« Reply #38: October 08, 2017, 07:11:16 PM »
So you're saying we should keep him if we get to the NLCS?



That's my view.

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Offline mitlen

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« Reply #40: October 08, 2017, 07:14:09 PM »
That's my view.
I concur...

Damn, I'm a fan of consensus.    I'm not sure I care about what he did somewhere else.    Take us somewhere we ain't been and I'll take my chances.

Though I would like a parade.

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« Reply #41: October 08, 2017, 07:22:14 PM »
It’s funny. I can’t see half the posts here... and it’s awesome.

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« Reply #42: October 08, 2017, 07:23:14 PM »
It’s funny. I can’t see half the posts here... and it’s awesome.

:spit:   ....   if you can see this.

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« Reply #43: October 08, 2017, 08:11:12 PM »
I think the impact of Managers is largely overstated.

Maddon made blunders the last game and also made blunder after blunder last year but was bailed out by his players.

Players win, players lose.

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« Reply #44: October 08, 2017, 10:08:57 PM »

Back to my other question - does Dusty get any credit for last night ?  How about the relief pitcher selection ?

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« Reply #45: October 08, 2017, 10:11:35 PM »
No. The players got it done. They win and lose games.

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« Reply #46: October 08, 2017, 10:13:09 PM »
Back to my other question - does Dusty get any credit for last night ?  How about the relief pitcher selection ?
if he gets any credit, it should be for keeping the players loose, not for strategy. 

Dusty was saying before the game that the players were not aggressive enough in their ABs.  I think someone should have gone up to Turner and told him to put Dusty on ignore and then  no one should quote him.

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« Reply #47: October 08, 2017, 10:17:59 PM »
But what about the timing and order of the relief pitchers ?

if he gets any credit, it should be for keeping the players loose, not for strategy.

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« Reply #48: October 08, 2017, 10:27:07 PM »
But what about the timing and order of the relief pitchers ?

pulling Gio for Kendrick in the middle of your first rally and down 2 was not a genius move.  albers is with the team to pitch the 6th so no great shakes there.  going to Ollie for a matchup v. lefties, again, that's what he's there for.  The rest was push button.

I'm  not saying he managed poorly or well.  He did the standard moves any manager.  Matt Williams would have made the same moves.  The difference between Williams last night and Dusty is Williams would have had the players feeling extra pressure because it was the win we absolutely needed.  how that impacts the hitters I don't know.

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« Reply #49: October 09, 2017, 07:04:24 AM »
if he gets any credit, it should be for keeping the players loose, not for strategy. 

Dusty was saying before the game that the players were not aggressive enough in their ABs.  I think someone should have gone up to Turner and told him to put Dusty on ignore and then  no one should quote him.

But who knows what he said to Turner.  Being aggressive is far from the whole story and I have heard Dusty articulate it: if a guy is not good with two strikes (and most aren't) you don't want him to get to two strikes so be more aggressive.  A guy who is good with two strikes (Werth, for example) is not someone you tell to be aggressive at the beginning of the at bat.  I imagine that he has these individual discussions with individual players.  I hope he does.  Turner: he isn't particularly good with two strikes, so what do you tell him?