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Online aspenbubba

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Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Topic Start: September 05, 2017, 03:18:23 PM »
All the talk is about Rendon being in the mix for MVP. I can buy into that easily but I question why no love for Murphy?. His RISP is .419 compared to Rendons .381 and his overall BA is about 10 points higher.  ,If it solely based on defensive metrics than I could agree as Rendon is clearly the better fielder. Just thought I would get the conversation started.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #1: September 05, 2017, 03:38:13 PM »
All the talk is about Rendon being in the mix for MVP. I can buy into that easily but I question why no love for Murphy?. His RISP is .419 compared to Rendons .381 and his overall BA is about 10 points higher.  ,If it solely based on defensive metrics than I could agree as Rendon is clearly the better fielder. Just thought I would get the conversation started.
Murphy is too consistent to be MVP.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #2: September 05, 2017, 03:50:00 PM »
Rendon is currently 3 wins better than Murphy 6.5 vs. 3.5 (fWAR). That is a significant difference. A lot of this difference is due to defensive ability, but not all of it. Rendon has a higher wRC+, which means more runs created (144 vs 133, 100 is average), a higher OPS (.948 vs .922), and higher isolated power (.240 vs .225). His BB/K ratio is higher than Murphy's (0.96 vs. 0.67).  Baserunning (BsR, which is a stat that combines stolen bases, CS, taking extra bases, etc.) for Rendon is 3.4 vs -1.1 for Murphy. 

Murphy has a higher BA (.318 vs .304).

Rendon gets on base more, has better plate discipline, hits slightly better for power and creates more runs and is a better baserunner and a much better fielder.

Those three wins represent a huge amount of difference. 

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #3: September 05, 2017, 03:55:13 PM »
Rendon is currently 3 wins better than Murphy 6.5 vs. 3.5 (fWAR). That is a significant difference. A lot of this difference is due to defensive ability, but not all of it. Rendon has a higher wRC+, which means more runs created (144 vs 133, 100 is average), a higher OPS (.948 vs .922), and higher isolated power (.240 vs .225). His BB/K ratio is higher than Murphy's (0.96 vs. 0.67).  Baserunning (BsR, which is a stat that combines stolen bases, CS, taking extra bases, etc.) for Rendon is 3.4 vs -1.1 for Murphy. 

Murphy has a higher BA (.318 vs .304).

Rendon gets on base more, has better plate discipline, hits slightly better for power and creates more runs and is a better baserunner and a much better fielder.

Those three wins represent a huge amount of difference.

The media is all in on Arenado...no one else has a chance...



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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #4: September 05, 2017, 04:01:23 PM »
Oh, I think that Rendon has zero change of winning the award, but this is why he is a better candidate than Murphy. I personally think that Goldschmidt will win it assuming this thing with his elbow isn't serious. If not him, I think Stanton, especially if he hits 60 HR.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #5: September 05, 2017, 04:05:21 PM »
Rendon is currently 3 wins better than Murphy 6.5 vs. 3.5 (fWAR). That is a significant difference. A lot of this difference is due to defensive ability, but not all of it. Rendon has a higher wRC+, which means more runs created (144 vs 133, 100 is average), a higher OPS (.948 vs .922), and higher isolated power (.240 vs .225). His BB/K ratio is higher than Murphy's (0.96 vs. 0.67).  Baserunning (BsR, which is a stat that combines stolen bases, CS, taking extra bases, etc.) for Rendon is 3.4 vs -1.1 for Murphy. 

Murphy has a higher BA (.318 vs .304).

Rendon gets on base more, has better plate discipline, hits slightly better for power and creates more runs and is a better baserunner and a much better fielder.

Those three wins represent a huge amount of difference. 
Thank you. Much appreciated.

Offline GuyFromCO

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #6: September 05, 2017, 04:51:02 PM »
The media is all in on Arenado...no one else has a chance...

News to me. Only see Stanton talk lately.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #7: September 05, 2017, 04:53:49 PM »
News to me. Only see Stanton talk lately.

Just watch...

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #8: September 05, 2017, 04:55:21 PM »
The media is all in on Arenado...no one else has a chance...

Coors Field...

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #9: September 05, 2017, 04:58:55 PM »
Coors Field...

They seem to think he is Superman at the hot corner too.  I can't figure it out, but...

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #10: September 05, 2017, 05:11:33 PM »
The media is all in on Arenado...no one else has a chance...




Yep. Had we been hitting Rendon in the two home where he belongs, it would be a different situation

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #11: September 05, 2017, 05:29:31 PM »
I personally would rather the Nats players win the WS than individual accolades.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #12: September 05, 2017, 05:38:20 PM »
I personally would rather the Nats players win the WS than individual accolades.

They are not mutually exclusive.  See: Bryant, Kris and Posey, Buster.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #13: September 06, 2017, 12:14:05 PM »
They seem to think he is Superman at the hot corner too.  I can't figure it out, but...

Who is "they?"

As far as 3Bs go, here's the defensive runs saved numbers: Nolan (20), Gyorko (16), Longoria (13), Frazier (10), Tony (8 ), Manny (7)

Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #14: September 06, 2017, 01:29:52 PM »
Amazing the seasons we've seen from Rendon, Murph, Harper before injury, Zim, Max, Gio, and Stras (DL stint aside).  True star power.  4 of the very best hitting seasons and 3 of the best pitching seasons. 

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #15: September 06, 2017, 02:15:12 PM »
I'm fine if Stanton wins it. He's having a great power-hitting year. It is fun to watch.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #16: September 06, 2017, 02:57:08 PM »
Yabut it had been like a quarter century before Posey. 
They are not mutually exclusive.  See: Bryant, Kris and Posey, Buster.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #17: September 06, 2017, 04:25:55 PM »
He'll win World Series MVP.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #18: September 06, 2017, 05:10:31 PM »
I'm fine if Stanton wins it. He's having a great power-hitting year. It is fun to watch.

Arenado is great at 3B. Metrics and eyes should agree there.

If the Rockies make the postseason I think it'll be Nado. But, if Stanton somehow breaks the record...it's his no matter what.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #19: September 06, 2017, 05:18:28 PM »
But, if Stanton somehow breaks the record...it's his no matter what.



What record? I doubt he catches even Sosa's 63.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #20: September 06, 2017, 05:22:39 PM »
"record", not "record*"


What record? I doubt he catches even Sosa's 63.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #21: September 06, 2017, 05:40:07 PM »
At this point, like someone else pointed out, even Stanton's "record" can be questioned.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #22: September 06, 2017, 07:28:49 PM »
At this point, like someone else pointed out, even Stanton's "record" can be questioned.

Do we now presume the record unattainable by honest means?

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #23: September 06, 2017, 09:54:47 PM »
If Stanton gets to 60, I think they'll vote him the MVP. People are impressed by dingers.

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Re: Rendon or Murphy for MVP
« Reply #24: September 07, 2017, 06:30:09 AM »


What record? I doubt he catches even Sosa's 63.

Maris's 61. The only one that counts in a lot of people's mind.