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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #75: November 10, 2017, 08:13:31 PM »
You’re taxed where your income is earned (one of the reasons holding shares in an s Corp can be more trouble than its worth). Most metro areas have agreements so that, while you may pay a commuter tax, you don’t have to pay income tax in multiple states.

the thing is, DC works the opposite.  You work in DC, live in VA, you pay VA income taxes, not DC. 

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #77: November 10, 2017, 09:43:40 PM »
the thing is, DC works the opposite.  You work in DC, live in VA, you pay VA income taxes, not DC.
Yes.  I lived in VA and worked in DC for many years and always paid to VA income tax and nothing to DC. 

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #78: November 12, 2017, 03:38:38 PM »
https://bullpenned.com/ohtanis-npb-predecessors/

TL;DR He projects like Chase Headley


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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #79: November 13, 2017, 02:28:16 PM »
Why would he go to an NL team where he would have to play a second position in the field? All the stars in Hollywood and all the ivy on the Wrigley Field fence could not convince me to go to an NL team if I were a P/DH.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #80: November 22, 2017, 08:20:32 AM »
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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #81: November 22, 2017, 08:25:54 AM »
Crazy. How much money is he giving up? $100 million?

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #82: November 22, 2017, 08:29:26 AM »
Is there a reason he couldn’t demand an opt out in any contract he signs?

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #83: November 22, 2017, 08:38:06 AM »
Is there a reason he couldn’t demand an opt out in any contract he signs?

Since he's under 25 and doesn't have 6 years of service in Japan, he is subject to the arbitration timeline. So he can't become a free agent until 2024. Otherwise he could have signed a Tanaka-like contract in 2020. But he didn't want to wait. It's absolutely bonkers to me.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #84: November 22, 2017, 08:43:06 AM »
Since he's under 25 and doesn't have 6 years of service in Japan, he is subject to the arbitration timeline. So he can't become a free agent until 2024. Otherwise he could have signed a Tanaka-like contract in 2020. But he didn't want to wait. It's absolutely bonkers to me.
I suppose he can insist on an MLB contract to at least start his options limit?  Does this mean he gets the small bonus and then MLB minimum for 3 years before 3 rounds of arbitration?

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« Reply #85: November 22, 2017, 08:46:12 AM »
Does this mean he gets the small bonus and then MLB minimum for 3 years before 3 rounds of arbitration?

That's exactly what it means, from what I understand. If he waited until after the 2019 season he could be offered whatever contract the market would bear. Insanity.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #86: November 22, 2017, 10:44:04 AM »
So is:

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There is a chance, however, that the race for Otani isn’t as wide open as it seems. A big-market team like the Yankees could sign him for lint this summer, and then simply hand him a huge extension just a few months into his rookie year. That would likely spark a fight with the league, but given the kind of singular talent Otani has, it would be a fight worth having.

actually possible?

https://deadspin.com/hell-yeah-here-comes-otani-1820675691

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #87: November 22, 2017, 11:12:44 AM »
nats have 0% chance at this guy

anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional

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« Reply #88: November 22, 2017, 11:37:20 AM »
nats have 0% chance at this guy

anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional

Would you say that theres .... "zero chance"







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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #89: November 22, 2017, 06:20:56 PM »
I live in DC and work in Maryland, but pay DC taxes. It would be the opposite if it were switched. The fact that DC isn’t allowed to tax it’s commuters is a huge sore spot.

Commuters hardly use any services compared to residents.  It's a sore spot because they've run the math and are not coming out ahead.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #90: November 22, 2017, 08:06:36 PM »
nats have 0% chance at this guy

anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional

Apparently, when asked who he looks up to in MLB, he mentions Ichiro and Darvish. Then .... Bryce Harper. Apparently watches a lot of film of Bryce. Question is, if he's infatuated with Harper, who does that possibly help? Nats, or some other team???

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #91: November 22, 2017, 08:09:17 PM »
Apparently, when asked who he looks up to in MLB, he mentions Ichiro and Darvish. Then .... Bryce Harper. Apparently watches a lot of film of Bryce. Question is, if he's infatuated with Harper, who does that possibly help? Nats, or some other team???
If he's infatuated with Harper, that could lead to some very awkward interactions if he signs with the Nats.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #92: November 22, 2017, 08:55:36 PM »
Apparently, when asked who he looks up to in MLB, he mentions Ichiro and Darvish. Then .... Bryce Harper. Apparently watches a lot of film of Bryce. Question is, if he's infatuated with Harper, who does that possibly help? Nats, or some other team???

The Nats of course.  Why would Harper be associated with any of the other 29 teams? 

Maybe you're just being wry.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #93: November 22, 2017, 09:16:31 PM »
Apparently, when asked who he looks up to in MLB, he mentions Ichiro and Darvish. Then .... Bryce Harper. Apparently watches a lot of film of Bryce. Question is, if he's infatuated with Harper, who does that possibly help? Nats, or some other team???
Considering that Harper isn't going to be a National after next season's NLDS exit, pretty sure that helps 29 other teams.

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« Reply #94: November 23, 2017, 08:28:32 AM »
Considering that Harper isn't going to be a National after next season's NLDS exit, pretty sure that helps 29 other teams.

You know it's quotes like this which make me believe we need to change the culture of this team. If the fans expect us to lose out in the 1st round then I'm sure the players think it as well. After all they are humans too. The pressure must be insane. It's almost expected that if we make the playoffs we will choke.

Werth leaving is a start. I'd be all for trading Zimmerman and Harper as well. 4 years and this core group has got to the playoffs with the exact same results. Bring in fresh players who haven't been mentally defeated for 3 postseasons.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #95: November 23, 2017, 11:01:51 AM »
You know it's quotes like this which make me believe we need to change the culture of this team. If the fans expect us to lose out in the 1st round then I'm sure the players think it as well. After all they are humans too. The pressure must be insane. It's almost expected that if we make the playoffs we will choke.

Werth leaving is a start. I'd be all for trading Zimmerman and Harper as well. 4 years and this core group has got to the playoffs with the exact same results. Bring in fresh players who haven't been mentally defeated for 3 postseasons.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

I agree, but to change the culture you will have to change the GM.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #96: November 24, 2017, 10:50:02 AM »


Werth leaving is a start. I'd be all for trading Zimmerman and Harper as well. 4 years and this core group has got to the playoffs with the exact same results. Bring in fresh players who haven't been mentally defeated for 3 postseasons.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.

So basically you'd like to trade the entire team.

Well at least all of the legit players.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #97: November 28, 2017, 09:26:48 AM »
I have to say, the article quoting Rizzo about trying to sell the Nats on the city and team success despite only having 300k left to spend is one of the most pathetic things I have read in a long time.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #98: November 28, 2017, 10:28:38 AM »
Even if we had max money, I've gotta think he'll be looking for a city with a decent-sized Japanese-American population and culture. Why I think West Coast cities have a big edge. Especially AL teams, Seattle and Anaheim.

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Re: Shohei Otani
« Reply #99: November 28, 2017, 10:28:50 AM »
I have to say, the article quoting Rizzo about trying to sell the Nats on the city and team success despite only having 300k left to spend is one of the most pathetic things I have read in a long time.

It's clear that this is not about money for Otani. Otherwise he would wait 2 years and get a 9 figure payday. He also isn't poor. He has made quite a bit of money already from playing in Japan He makes around 2.5 million a year. Also, some of the teams that people think have a good chance at Otani also have this 300K limit (Dodgers, Giants, Padres, Cubs). I still think it's a longshot to sign him, but it isn't going to be about money.