Nationals vs Angels, Game 1

[mitlen]

Angels hitting their pitcher 8th?

Yep, Scioscia's channeling Maddon.

[varoadking]

Yes, but he became a Nat in 2012. They did not have a ton of prior match ups in the same division. That simply isn't possible.

I gave you the best I had... 

[Slateman]

Sabermetrics says it's the best spot for the pitcher and some logic says that as well.

But what does Dusty's gut tell him?

[spidernat]

Sabermetrics says it's the best spot for the pitcher and some logic says that as well.

come one dude, this is one of many things that make the stat geeks sound like complete clowns

[mimontero88]

22 pitches to get through 2 innings?  Who are you and what have you done with Gio Gonzalez?

[welch]

22 pitches to get through 2 innings?  Who are you and what have you done with Gio Gonzalez?

Ha!!

(Same thing I thought...nine pitches in the second?? Not our Gio)

[mimontero88]

come one dude, this is one of many things that make the stat geeks sound like complete clowns

Not really.  Sabermetrics argues that your best hitter should be hitting first.  As the game goes on, you want better players hitting in front of your best hitter so batting the pitcher 8th creates a degree of separation between your worst hitter and your best, giving him more RBI opportunities.

[mitlen]

22 pitches to get through 2 innings?  Who are you and what have you done with Gio Gonzalez?

I have my autographed photo on the end table with Dmitri Young, Roark, Z'nn, etc.   It's karma man.

[varoadking]

I have my autographed photo on the end table...

 

[Slateman]

22 pitches to get through 2 innings?  Who are you and what have you done with Gio Gonzalez?

The Angels are not good

[mimontero88]

Bryce gets hurt and Anthony gets woke

[welch]

Tony!

[spidernat]

Not really.  Sabermetrics argues that your best hitter should be hitting first.  As the game goes on, you want better players hitting in front of your best hitter so batting the pitcher 8th creates a degree of separation between your worst hitter and your best, giving him more RBI opportunities.

So to improve the odds even more they should bat the 3rd hole hitter 9th so that as the game goes on....



It's hilarious how those geeks come up with so much bullcrap and their parrots go around repeating the crap thinking they sound so knowledgeable.

[spidernat]

Is the real MAT back?

[mitlen]

Is the real MAT back?

Did he go back 'round the corner?

[mitlen]

Anybody else notice the Marines weren't at the games when it rained but they fill the whole row when the weather's nice.        Are they officers?    That's why.

(Seriously though, I'm havin' a hard time makin' out the unis.)

[Slateman]

Is the real MAT back?

Yes

[mimontero88]

So to improve the odds even more they should bat the 3rd hole hitter 9th so that as the game goes on....



It's hilarious how those geeks come up with so much bullcrap and their parrots go around repeating the crap thinking they sound so knowledgeable.

At UVA, I was a math major and I can tell you that with a dataset as big as baseball outcomes, regressive models to determine the best set of outcomes should be considered highly reliable.  This stuff isn't just made up out of thin air.  It's based on an absolute ton of data and mathematical regression which essentially "boils down" the sample set that leads to the best outcomes in the long run.  Hitting your best hitter first and the pitcher 8th leads to more runs than batting him 3rd with the pitcher 9th because over a long season your best hitter gets plenty more plate appearances, as does your second best hitter in the 2 hole.

EDIT:  Another way to look at it is that the mathematics say that it is better to have your best hitter hit more often than to try to manufacture more RBI opportunities for him.  However, manufacturing is valuable enough to where it is worth putting a real hitter in front of your best hitter at the expense of moving your pitcher up one spot in the lineup.  It's essentially a mathematical analysis of the value of getting more PA's for your best hitter versus the value of attempting to manufacture more RBI opportunities for that hitter using the lineup.  There isn't 0 value in that manufacturing but it is a LOT less valuable than having your best hitters hit more often and that makes sense.

[mitlen]

At UVA, I was a math major and I can tell you that with a dataset as big as baseball outcomes, regressive models to determine the best set of outcomes should be considered highly reliable.  This stuff isn't just made up out of thin air.  It's based on an absolute ton of data and mathematical regression which essentially "boils down" the sample set that leads to the best outcomes in the long run.  Hitting your best hitter first and the pitcher 8th leads to more runs than batting him 3rd with the pitcher 9th because over a long season your best hitter gets plenty more plate appearances, as does your second best hitter in the 2 hole.

Huh?     

[varoadking]

At UVA, I was a math major and I can tell you that with a dataset as big as baseball outcomes, regressive models to determine the best set of outcomes should be considered highly reliable.  This stuff isn't just made up out of thin air.  It's based on an absolute ton of data and mathematical regression which essentially "boils down" the sample set that leads to the best outcomes in the long run.  Hitting your best hitter first and the pitcher 8th leads to more runs than batting him 3rd with the pitcher 9th because over a long season your best hitter gets plenty more plate appearances, as does your second best hitter in the 2 hole.

Geez...they'll let anyone into UVA... 

[mitlen]

James Madison Dukes in the house.

[mitlen]

Geez...they'll let anyone into UVA... 

Not me.     Only because I didn't apply.     

[spidernat]

At UVA, I was a math major and I can tell you that with a dataset as big as baseball outcomes, regressive models to determine the best set of outcomes should be considered highly reliable.  This stuff isn't just made up out of thin air.  It's based on an absolute ton of data and mathematical regression which essentially "boils down" the sample set that leads to the best outcomes in the long run.  Hitting your best hitter first and the pitcher 8th leads to more runs than batting him 3rd with the pitcher 9th because over a long season your best hitter gets plenty more plate appearances, as does your second best hitter in the 2 hole.

EDIT:  Another way to look at it is that the mathematics say that it is better to have your best hitter hit more often than to try to manufacture more RBI opportunities for him.  However, manufacturing is valuable enough to where it is worth putting a real hitter in front of your best hitter at the expense of moving your pitcher up one spot in the lineup.  It's essentially a mathematical analysis of the value of getting more PA's for your best hitter versus the value of attempting to manufacture more RBI opportunities for that hitter using the lineup.  There isn't 0 value in that manufacturing but it is a LOT less valuable than having your best hitters hit more often and that makes sense.

I stopped reading Coladar a couple years ago.

[mimontero88]

Geez...they'll let anyone into UVA... 

Based on the fact that I didn't ever graduate, I'm sure they stand by their decision

[Mathguy]

But baseball is a team game and the team may benefit from best hitters RBI number instead of best hitter getting to bat most often

Not really.  Sabermetrics argues that your best hitter should be hitting first.  As the game goes on, you want better players hitting in front of your best hitter so batting the pitcher 8th creates a degree of separation between your worst hitter and your best, giving him more RBI opportunities.