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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #25: July 31, 2017, 09:26:26 PM »
Doolittle is one of my favorite players in baseball though. I also liked Madson when he was on the Phillies as well.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #26: July 31, 2017, 09:28:29 PM »
Were the Cardinals even sellers today?

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #27: July 31, 2017, 09:37:51 PM »
Were the Cardinals even sellers today?

To many Cards fans dismay, they didn't sell. I'd still be interested in Rosenthal in the off-season but the Cards probably won't sell.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #28: July 31, 2017, 10:04:04 PM »
I also liked Madson when he was on the Phillies as well.
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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #29: July 31, 2017, 11:13:47 PM »
To many Cards fans dismay, they didn't sell. I'd still be interested in Rosenthal in the off-season but the Cards probably won't sell.


0.15 ERA and 0.18 WHIP separate Grace and Rosenthal this season. Rosenthal gets more K's but an out's an out. I'm not saying Grace is our new closer. I just don't think Rosenthal is enough of an upgrade over what we already that it would justify spending money or prospects.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #30: August 01, 2017, 10:52:49 AM »
Rosenthal previously lost the closer role for a reason.  His ERA was 4.46 with a 1.91 WHIP last year.  Yes, a 1.91 WHIP!  No wonder they yanked him and experimented with him as a starter.  He's at a 3.43 ERA this year, so better.  He's 27 and and was good 2013-2015, so I wouldn't mind having Rosenthal, but he's FAR from the answer as a proven closer. 

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #31: August 01, 2017, 11:04:38 AM »
Rosenthal previously lost the closer role for a reason.  His ERA was 4.46 with a 1.91 WHIP last year.  Yes, a 1.91 WHIP!  No wonder they yanked him and experimented with him as a starter.  He's at a 3.43 ERA this year, so better.  He's 27 and and was good 2013-2015, so I wouldn't mind having Rosenthal, but he's FAR from the answer as a proven closer.

Was I the only one who wanted Oh?

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #32: August 01, 2017, 11:11:53 AM »
To many Cards fans dismay, they didn't sell. I'd still be interested in Rosenthal in the off-season but the Cards probably won't sell.

The Cardinals had a weird deadline. They could've gone either way but chose to do nothing.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #33: August 01, 2017, 12:28:05 PM »
The most tricky position is being only a few games out of a wildcard or division but as a .500ish team you don't expect to have a chance if you made the postseason.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #34: August 01, 2017, 12:30:51 PM »
Rosenthal previously lost the closer role for a reason.  His ERA was 4.46 with a 1.91 WHIP last year.  Yes, a 1.91 WHIP!  No wonder they yanked him and experimented with him as a starter.  He's at a 3.43 ERA this year, so better.  He's 27 and and was good 2013-2015, so I wouldn't mind having Rosenthal, but he's FAR from the answer as a proven closer.
He has made a huge tweak in his delievery and is using more offspeed stuff to steal strikes, been super effective last month. 

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #35: August 01, 2017, 01:06:55 PM »
He has made a huge tweak in his delievery and is using more offspeed stuff to steal strikes, been super effective last month.

He could be someone who would work out, but I need more evidence that this "tweak" is a permanent solution.  As mentioned above, Danny Espinosa had "tweaks" that led to good months but he always reverted back to bad again.  I'd have more confidence in any of the 3 relievers we got to close than Rosenthal right now.  That might change if Rosenthal has a great August and September.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #36: August 01, 2017, 02:02:45 PM »
The Cards asking price for Rosenthal was probably too high.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #37: August 01, 2017, 02:20:20 PM »
The Cards asking price for Rosenthal was probably too high.

Carpenter and who else?

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #38: August 01, 2017, 02:21:18 PM »
The Cards asking price for Rosenthal was probably too high.

Nobody got Rosenthal, nobody got Hand. Plenty of teams wanted relievers. The fact that they went to no one means that the prices were likely ridiculous. I don’t put that on Rizzo.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #39: August 02, 2017, 09:37:38 PM »
And now he has a new toy

Lol you win.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #40: August 03, 2017, 04:44:56 PM »
Well, tomwvr basically nailed the first half in March the Predictions Thread. Hopefully the back half doesn't come true.

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Predict a trade:
2 prospects for Brandon Kintzler

Do we trade for an established closer, and if so whom? yes Kintzler - but he fails badly

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #41: August 03, 2017, 04:56:10 PM »
Kintzler looked really good last night.  I know, only four outs, but his stuff is terrific.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #42: August 03, 2017, 07:22:18 PM »
I like him a lot.  I think many are undervaluing this acquisition.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #43: August 03, 2017, 07:24:21 PM »
Kintzler looked really good last night.  I know, only four outs, but his stuff is terrific.

It doesn't look that way to me????

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #44: August 03, 2017, 09:23:39 PM »
It doesn't look that way to me????

His breaking stuff breaks so late that it's just unfair.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #45: August 03, 2017, 09:37:56 PM »
Kintzler looked really good last night.  I know, only four outs, but his stuff is terrific.

Plus we don't have a lot of other Winnipeg Goldeyes alumni on the team.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #46: August 04, 2017, 10:02:35 AM »
Kintzler/Madson/Doolittle is a damn good back half of the pen. Just need 6 quality innings from our starters everytime in October.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #47: August 04, 2017, 06:32:54 PM »
Kintzler/Madson/Doolittle is a damn good back half of the pen. Just need 6 quality innings from our starters everytime in October.

Even if it's 5 we can play annoying matchup baseball. Like warm up 2 lefties and 2 righties and get one out per guy.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #48: August 04, 2017, 07:01:33 PM »
Dusty seems committed to using Doolittle as the closer.

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Re: Brandon Kintzler - Rental Closer?
« Reply #49: August 04, 2017, 07:06:39 PM »
As long as one of the "big three" closes, I don't really mind too much.