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Offline bluestreak

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Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Topic Start: June 29, 2017, 09:06:18 PM »
So the number 1 spot in the lineup seems to be cursed. Who is it going to be in Turner's absence? Goodwin? Taylor? Drew?  I have no idea.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #1: June 29, 2017, 09:13:32 PM »
So the number 1 spot in the lineup seems to be cursed. Who is it going to be in Turner's absence? Goodwin? Taylor? Drew?  I have no idea.

Wow, my first thought was Michael A. Taylor.    Scared the hell out of myself.     How 'bout Goodwin?     Gotta have speed and other than him  ...

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #2: June 29, 2017, 09:17:00 PM »
Wow, my first thought was Michael A. Taylor.    Scared the hell out of myself.     How 'bout Goodwin?     Gotta have speed and other than him  ...

Goodwin makes as much sense as anyone.  The computer run optimizer model would probably say Harper, Rendon or Murphy.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #3: June 29, 2017, 09:25:04 PM »
Goodwin until werth is back. 

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #4: June 29, 2017, 09:28:48 PM »
     Gotta have speed and other than him  ...
No, he don't gotta have speed. He gotta get on base.  He's OBPing at about .306, that's pathetic for a leadoff guy.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #5: June 29, 2017, 09:29:59 PM »
Kyle Schwarber.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #6: June 29, 2017, 09:30:35 PM »
No, he don't gotta have speed. He gotta get on base.  He's OBPing at about .306, that's pathetic for a leadoff guy.

This. Speed is overrated. That is old school thinking. Lead off is all about OBP (with or without reaching on errors  ;) )

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #7: June 29, 2017, 09:31:32 PM »
This. Speed is overrated. That is old school thinking. Lead off is all about OBP (with or without reaching on errors  ;) )

In that case, our all star 3rd baseman.     :)

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #8: June 29, 2017, 09:32:08 PM »
Move everybody up a spot.

Goodwin
Harper
Zimm
Murph
Rendon
Drew
Weiters
Taylor


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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #10: June 29, 2017, 09:35:31 PM »
No, he don't gotta have speed. He gotta get on base.  He's OBPing at about .306, that's pathetic for a leadoff guy.

The classic answer: a guy who walks about 125 / 130 times a season, has about .400 OBP. Maybe an eye for the strike-zone so good that umpires let him call the close pitches. No swing = a ball. (Yes, that's Eddie Yost. He was real, and a few of us are old enough to have seen him.)

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #11: June 29, 2017, 09:36:58 PM »
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=100&type=8&season=2017&month=0&season1=2017&ind=0&team=24&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=13,d

Goodwin has a .342 OBP, which isn't bad. But I agree with Mitlen, Rendon is the choice.

I hope you don't think I'm down on Rendon.    I like him a lot.   However, I think he'd be best in 2nd spot.    He can work pitchers like Werth.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #12: June 29, 2017, 09:38:45 PM »
This. Speed is overrated. That is old school thinking. Lead off is all about OBP (with or without reaching on errors  ;) )
So why was Turner batting leadoff then? Other guys get on base more than him.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #13: June 29, 2017, 09:39:36 PM »
So why was Turner batting leadoff then? Other guys get on base more than him.


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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #14: June 29, 2017, 09:42:08 PM »
I hope you don't think I'm down on Rendon.    I like him a lot.   However, I think he'd be best in 2nd spot. 
An ideal #2 is an on-base guy with power. That's Rendon.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #15: June 29, 2017, 09:44:22 PM »
So why was Turner batting leadoff then? Other guys get on base more than him.

Partly because Dusty is old school. Partly because while I said speed is overrated, that doesn't mean it's not a factor at all. Turner has otherworldly gamechanging speed. Only a couple of people in baseball have that speed. It makes up for deficiency in OBP. No one else on this team has that kind of speed so OBP is more important. Also, he has an OBP of .376 over last month. He was getting much better. And where else would you put him?

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #16: June 29, 2017, 09:44:46 PM »
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Rusty is with us brother.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #17: June 29, 2017, 09:45:34 PM »
Rusty is with us brother.

Rusty's too young to be with me.     :)

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #18: June 29, 2017, 09:45:46 PM »
Partly because Dusty is old school. Partly because while I said speed is overrated, Turner has otherworldly gamechanging speed. Only a couple of people in baseball have that speed. It makes up for deficiency in OBP. No one else on this team has that kind of speed so OBP is more important. Also, he has an OBP of .376 over last month. He was getting much better. And where else would you put him?
Fair enough; Billy Hamilton bats first and his OBP is terrible.  But when he gets on he disrupts; same as Trea.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #19: June 29, 2017, 09:46:38 PM »
Rusty's too young to be with me.     :)
Yea but he lit up with Hendrix.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #20: June 29, 2017, 09:46:42 PM »
Fair enough; Billy Hamilton bats first and his OBP is terrible.  But when he gets on he disrupts; same as Trea.

That's my thing.   I know the leadoff guy has to get on but he has to be a disrupter when he is on.

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #21: June 29, 2017, 09:59:25 PM »
Goodwin
Rendon
Harper
Zimmerman
Murphy
Taylor
Drew
Wieters

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #22: June 29, 2017, 10:00:19 PM »
Goodwin
Rendon
Harper
Zimmerman
Murphy
Taylor
Drew
Wieters

What about when Werth comes back?

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #23: June 29, 2017, 10:01:45 PM »
What about when Werth comes back?

He'll need 100 at bats so I'd start him off at 6th or 7th.    But when he comes back   ....   who leads off?

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Re: Who is the new lead off hitter?
« Reply #24: June 29, 2017, 10:07:26 PM »
No, he don't gotta have speed. He gotta get on base.  He's OBPing at about .306, that's pathetic for a leadoff guy.

Goodwin's at .342