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Offline RobDibblesGhost

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #25: March 30, 2017, 12:26:37 PM »
Dusty says Glover is making the team though.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #26: March 30, 2017, 12:48:07 PM »
Treinen it is for the closer. I like this. Even though I'm not sure why a closer needs to be named at all. We will figure it out when someone comes to pitch the 9th inning.

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« Reply #27: March 30, 2017, 12:54:40 PM »
interesting.  He's not exactly your prototypical closer, but we'll see....

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« Reply #28: March 31, 2017, 07:24:51 AM »
Albers signs a minor league deal.

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« Reply #29: March 31, 2017, 09:03:45 AM »
interesting.  He's not exactly your prototypical closer, but we'll see....

If you read Baker's quotes on the matter (such as here: http://www.federalbaseball.com/2017/3/31/15127816/blake-treinen-washington-nationals-closer-puppy-dog-to-bulldog-to-closer), it seems like the major differentiator is that Treinen didn't get hurt last season. That's not a terribly inspiring reason.

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« Reply #30: March 31, 2017, 09:29:21 AM »
Can't be worse than Papelbon.  Or more fragile than Storen.  Or can he?

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« Reply #31: March 31, 2017, 03:20:16 PM »
Read they may start Ross in the minors to carry a long pen to start the season. I'd like to see that happen and give both Guthrie and Glover some early season appearances. Have time also to evaluate Treinen. If Treinen and Guthrie are both solid, send down Glover when we need a fifth starter. If Treinen looks shaky or Guthrie has a rough outing, jettison Guthrie when we need that fifth starter.

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« Reply #32: March 31, 2017, 05:02:10 PM »
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« Reply #33: March 31, 2017, 05:05:30 PM »
Read they may start Ross in the minors to carry a long pen to start the season. I'd like to see that happen and give both Guthrie and Glover some early season appearances. Have time also to evaluate Treinen. If Treinen and Guthrie are both solid, send down Glover when we need a fifth starter. If Treinen looks shaky or Guthrie has a rough outing, jettison Guthrie when we need that fifth starter.

that makes sense.  Also a chance to see if Romero is for real.

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« Reply #34: March 31, 2017, 05:09:10 PM »
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Not necessarily but gave me a handshake and kind word as they make final decisions.

Or not. At least yet.

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« Reply #35: April 01, 2017, 12:26:41 PM »
Janes saying Guthrie not in clubhouse today.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #36: April 01, 2017, 01:22:54 PM »
Janes saying Guthrie not in clubhouse today.
I suspect he was around to start yesterday, maybe as a showcase for scouts.  He may already know he's not making the team. 

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« Reply #37: April 01, 2017, 10:06:22 PM »
Janes saying Guthrie not in clubhouse today.

Zuck reported it as well, looks like Taylor and Difo will make the cut, with Ross heading to Syracuse until he's needed.

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« Reply #38: April 05, 2017, 08:29:07 AM »

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #40: April 05, 2017, 01:00:15 PM »
The Bear is back.  He's only 29 and was pretty good before, so maybe by late in the year he's looking good in AAA and can help out if needed.  Kinda cool guys like him and Lannan are welcomed back and given a chance.

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« Reply #41: April 06, 2017, 10:00:50 PM »
And there is the first W the half ass constructed bullpen wastes. Get used to it; all the blown saves might cost them a playoff spot.

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« Reply #42: April 06, 2017, 10:05:11 PM »
Not a  night. Not sure why Solis started  9th. Either Treinen is good to pitch, or he's not. Either he is the closer or not. You don't mix and match in the 9th when your closer is ready to go. That's the whole point of having a closer.

*sigh* Why is Dusty the manager still? He will not win a playoff series ever again.

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« Reply #43: April 06, 2017, 10:31:21 PM »
Not a  night. Not sure why Solis started  9th. Either Treinen is good to pitch, or he's not. Either he is the closer or not. You don't mix and match in the 9th when your closer is ready to go. That's the whole point of having a closer.

*sigh* Why is Dusty the manager still? He will not win a playoff series ever again.
If Treinen pitched in all three games you would be one of the first to state that Dusty was burning him out.

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« Reply #44: April 06, 2017, 10:33:20 PM »
If Treinen pitched in all three games you would be one of the first to state that Dusty was burning him out.

He did pitch all three games.

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« Reply #45: April 06, 2017, 10:37:32 PM »
He did pitch all three games.
But only two batters. You wanted him in to pitch the entire ninth. The whole post season last year was about smart managers not being tied to traditional bullpen roles but everyone here is hung up when we don't have guys in standard roles. Relax. It was game three of 162.

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« Reply #46: April 07, 2017, 08:32:01 AM »
But only two batters. You wanted him in to pitch the entire ninth. The whole post season last year was about smart managers not being tied to traditional bullpen roles but everyone here is hung up when we don't have guys in standard roles. Relax. It was game three of 162.

lol, The last two WS champions have been tied to "traditional" bullpen roles.

the number of batters is not the issue. He got hot. He was available. If he wasn't available, he shouldn't have gotten warmed up in the first place. Treinen is the closer. The 9th inning is his. Lefty, righty .... doesn't  matter. It's his inning. If you have to play bullpen matchups in the 9th inning, you don't have a closer. You have a bunch of bullpen arms.

Dusty sucks at this. Rizzo needs to do what the Royals did for Yost and make it stupid simple. Go get a freaking closer (a real one) and then sort out who is the 7th inning guy and who is the 8th inning guy. Lefty, righty, doesn't matter. You freaking go with those guys because they are legit relievers.

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« Reply #47: April 07, 2017, 09:03:15 AM »
lol, The last two WS champions have been tied to "traditional" bullpen roles.

the number of batters is not the issue. He got hot. He was available. If he wasn't available, he shouldn't have gotten warmed up in the first place. Treinen is the closer. The 9th inning is his. Lefty, righty .... doesn't  matter. It's his inning. If you have to play bullpen matchups in the 9th inning, you don't have a closer. You have a bunch of bullpen arms.

Dusty sucks at this. Rizzo needs to do what the Royals did for Yost and make it stupid simple. Go get a freaking closer (a real one) and then sort out who is the 7th inning guy and who is the 8th inning guy. Lefty, righty, doesn't matter. You freaking go with those guys because they are legit relievers.
You want Dusty to act like he has a real closer but then you say they don't have one. Which is it? Just relax. Three games in.  Save the angst for October. Enjoy the games.

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« Reply #48: April 07, 2017, 09:11:08 AM »
You want Dusty to act like he has a real closer but then you say they don't have one. Which is it? Just relax. Three games in.  Save the angst for October. Enjoy the games.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #49: April 07, 2017, 09:20:53 AM »
You want Dusty to act like he has a real closer but then you say they don't have one. Which is it? Just relax. Three games in.  Save the angst for October. Enjoy the games.

It has yet to be determined if the Nationals have a real closer. But Dusty and Rizzo have been adamant that Treinen is the closer and that they are not going closer by committee. Treat him like it then. If he is available to pitch, and it's a save situation, the 9th inning is his. Always. No matter who is coming up, you go with your closer. Matchups are for the 6th and 7th innings. Dusty already sucks at this, don't make him do it in the 8th and 9th.

If he's your closer, and it's a save situation, and he's not available due to work load, that's fine too. Stick with that. But don't bring in someone thinking they can close out the game and then go to the guy you couldn't bring in to the game in the first place due to work load.