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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #125: April 16, 2017, 08:23:19 AM »
I did not even see the article in Friday's Washington Post where Wieters and Baker talk about him being way behind learning the staff especially the relievers.  So i guess my take is still way off?
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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #126: April 16, 2017, 10:57:17 AM »
I think the premise that they just suck is just radio hot takeish at best and pretty stupid too.  It is not a metric look. its a deep look at a new catcher who does have a say on what pitches are thrown and the fact he did not catch most of these guys in the spring. A pen giving up 10 homers in 11 games is not "they just suck"
Early on it's been a disaster but it's only been 11 games. Solis, Kelley, Glover, and Treinen were all around last year when we had second best pen in NL. Blanton coming off a big season. I still trust last year's 162 game sample more than the 11 game sample.

It'll improve a bit. And if needed they'll do what they did last season and add at the deadline.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #127: April 16, 2017, 05:34:54 PM »
There's something calming about an efficient closer.  If Kelley can hold up, then I'd let him do that for a while. Treinen is too good when he's on not to be useful, but I'd rather have him in middle innings for a while. Fat Albers looks pretty useful, too.  Eventually, you want Glover to close, but give him some time in the majors and success before you try it, perhaps after Kelley breaks down.  Use Blanton as a low leverage multi inning guy for now until he works out his mechanics.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #128: April 16, 2017, 06:57:40 PM »
I think we've seen the last of Blake as closer for now. Agree he will be VERY valuable pitching earlier. He just doesn't seem to have the rhythm and swagger/confidence to close.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #129: April 16, 2017, 08:20:18 PM »
So I have been following the Tigers for the past 10 or so years. And they have had a terrible bullpen for a good team. Their woes have been well documented. And even at their worst, the didn't blow every opportunity like these guys have so far. It really defies explanation for a bullpen whose guys actually peformed well last season. I mean one guy falling off a cliff I can understand, but everyone simultaneously? There's something else going on here.
Also today, I counted theee extra outs the Nats defense gave the Phillies in just the last two innings. Not many bullpens can pitch around that. All in all, I can't imagine the pen being worse and the Nats are still in first place. I'm not ready to throw in the towel on these guys yet.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #130: April 16, 2017, 09:28:43 PM »
you need a proven closer so the rest of the bp can relax

they always have to go cheap in Washington in some area

last year the hitting this year the closer

so frustrating and unprofessional

they had enough money to bring in a quality closer

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #131: April 16, 2017, 09:35:06 PM »
you need a proven closer so the rest of the bp can relax
So how did they perform last year with Papelbum for much of the year??

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #132: April 16, 2017, 09:37:15 PM »
Yes
well slate is smarter than Dusty and Matt. glad we all know  :hysterical:.
I am not saying its all Weiters fault. But the fact he has no time in with any of the bullpen has to be factoring in.  I think the multiple meetings today during his time with Blake shows that. Dusty said he may have caught some of the main guys once or twice if at all during the spring

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #133: April 16, 2017, 09:42:15 PM »
you need a proven closer so the rest of the bp can relax
Exactly

So how did they perform last year with Papelbum for much of the year??
By proven, he/she meant compentent

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #134: April 16, 2017, 09:49:34 PM »
Exactly
By proven, he/she meant compentent
Yes.  So my question is how did Papelbum make them relax last year??

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #135: April 16, 2017, 09:49:37 PM »
Paps meltdown as closer lasted about a week last year before they dumped him from closer - they gave up on him pretty quick

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« Reply #136: April 16, 2017, 09:51:14 PM »
Paps meltdown as closer lasted about a week last year before they dumped him from closer - they gave up on him pretty quick
He has lots of close calls before that also.

Anyway, they are all professionals--just do their own job.

I think it's just like having all your hitters in an early season slump and they are not really that bad.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #137: April 17, 2017, 12:17:22 AM »
Anyone see what Holland has done so far this season? 

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #138: April 17, 2017, 02:24:18 AM »
So how did they perform last year with Papelbum for much of the year??

Papelbon has proven that he can close. He has a lot of saves. People coast on that long after they are good.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #139: April 17, 2017, 05:46:00 AM »
Anyone see what Holland has done so far this season? 

No earned runs in seven saves

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #140: April 17, 2017, 09:40:50 AM »
Papelbon has proven that he can close. He has a lot of saves. People coast on that long after they are good.
I just don't buy the fact that a guy will perform better in the 7th or 8th because he knows they have a good ninth inning guy. Makes no sense. If guys roles are not clear that may be a different story. They are just not pitching well.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #141: April 17, 2017, 09:43:57 AM »
No earned runs in seven saves
Been very impressive so far. Looks like a Nats major mistake.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #142: April 17, 2017, 09:51:34 AM »
I think the post game mentioned Blanton has given up 3.

it burns my hide that when we faced Blanton in the NLDS he was dominant but when he pitches for us he is flaccid.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #144: April 17, 2017, 10:09:34 AM »
Been very impressive so far. Looks like a Nats major mistake.
What exactly was the mistake? Was he ever considering the Nationals? Did they simply low ball him?


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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #146: April 17, 2017, 11:37:55 AM »
it burns my hide that when we faced Blanton in the NLDS he was dominant but when he pitches for us he is flaccid.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #148: April 17, 2017, 12:57:43 PM »
It's been 2 weeks.  Let's see how the bullpen is performing at the end of May.

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Re: 2017 bullpen watch
« Reply #149: April 17, 2017, 01:00:44 PM »
I think it might have something to do with the abnormally warm weather in April. Lot more fly balls are turning into homers. Relievers are still settling in and getting comfortable and they're seeing normal fly ball outs turn into hits and runs. I mean like the graphic posted on twitter that someone posted above, it seems to be a league wide issue, not just for us.