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Offline mimontero88

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #450: July 22, 2017, 12:56:37 PM »
Cool. I never thought it made sense to not give it to the team with the best record.
Yeah, it finally is actually determined the way it always should have been.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #451: July 22, 2017, 01:04:02 PM »
Yeah, it finally is actually determined the way it always should have been.
truth is, unless everyone plays the same schedule, basing it on team record has its fault.  I would not mind it based on league v league won loss in interleague. There was a stretch where that would have favored the AL but at least it would be based on a better measure of strength than either the all star game or even best team record.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #452: July 22, 2017, 01:10:28 PM »
truth is, unless everyone plays the same schedule, basing it on team record has its fault.  I would not mind it based on league v league won loss in interleague. There was a stretch where that would have favored the AL but at least it would be based on a better measure of strength than either the all star game or even best team record.

I agree with this. with a completely unbalanced schedule, home field based purely on record isn’t totally ideal either. I think interleague record would be a better way to determine with stipulation that a wild card team couldn’t have home field.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #453: July 22, 2017, 02:18:29 PM »
truth is, unless everyone plays the same schedule, basing it on team record has its fault.  I would not mind it based on league v league won loss in interleague. There was a stretch where that would have favored the AL but at least it would be based on a better measure of strength than either the all star game or even best team record.
Measure of strength just isn't as important as the entertainment value of a race to the last day to see who has a better record.  If it were league vs. league, it could come down to a game between the Phillies and White Sox. 

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #454: July 22, 2017, 02:32:06 PM »
truth is, unless everyone plays the same schedule, basing it on team record has its fault.  I would not mind it based on league v league won loss in interleague. There was a stretch where that would have favored the AL but at least it would be based on a better measure of strength than either the all star game or even best team record.
I'm not claiming that it's an ideal solution.  Only that an ideal solution doesn't exist and that it's the best solution.  We already do seeding by best record but that will always favor teams in weaker divisions.  It's a reality we've determined to be acceptable for a long time in many different professional sports.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #455: July 24, 2017, 12:31:48 AM »
Hard to believe the magic number will be in the 40s when August starts.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #456: July 24, 2017, 06:56:56 AM »
We'll never catch the Mets now

Offline NatsAllThe Way

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #457: July 24, 2017, 12:55:54 PM »
We'll never catch the Mets now

Maybe not.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #458: July 24, 2017, 04:35:07 PM »
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« Reply #459: July 24, 2017, 06:51:38 PM »
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We’ve placed Zack Wheeler on the 10-day DL retroactive to July 23 with a stress reaction in his right arm and recalled Tyler Pill. #Mets
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Google tells me that a "stress reaction" is one step before a stress fracture, and in arms could be 4-8 weeks recovery time.

Poor Zack Wheeler, and poor Metsies! Wheeler has been hurt forever. (...and hoping Strasburg is OK)

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #460: July 27, 2017, 12:47:44 PM »
Dansby Swanson just sent to Triple A by the Braves. Wasn't he a #1 overall draft pick by the the Dbacks? Just goes to show.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #461: July 27, 2017, 12:51:32 PM »
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Google tells me that a "stress reaction" is one step before a stress fracture, and in arms could be 4-8 weeks recovery time.
It's Wheeler. He's always hurt.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #462: July 27, 2017, 06:05:33 PM »
start the countdown, magic number is at 50.

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« Reply #463: July 27, 2017, 10:14:02 PM »
Dansby Swanson just sent to Triple A by the Braves. Wasn't he a #1 overall draft pick by the the Dbacks? Just goes to show.

Never fall in love with prospects.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #464: July 27, 2017, 10:36:56 PM »
Never fall in love with prospects.



:clap: good advice but seldom heeded

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #465: July 28, 2017, 02:35:09 AM »
Never fall in love with prospects.

I hate to admit it, but if selling Robles, Fette, etc gets us a WS....sell the whole damn farm.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #466: July 28, 2017, 06:37:45 AM »
I hate to admit it, but if selling Robles, Fette, etc gets us a WS....sell the whole damn farm.

If only selling the farm guaranteed you a World Series. Best case scenario with gutting the farm probably gets you to a 1 in 4 chance.

Offline Ray D

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #467: July 28, 2017, 08:18:54 AM »
Best case scenario with gutting the farm probably gets you to a 1 in 4 chance.
1 in 5, or less.  I mean look at the Dodgers.  Their current probability of winning the World Series is 20%.  And if we sold the whole farm we wouldn't be as good as the Dodgers.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #468: July 28, 2017, 08:25:44 AM »
1 in 5, or less.  I mean look at the Dodgers.  Their current probability of winning the World Series is 20%.  And if we sold the whole farm we wouldn't be as good as the Dodgers.

Agree with this. I understand but it's a shame that the measure of success these days in all sports is winning the whole thing (which, of course, is incredibly hard to do).

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #469: July 28, 2017, 11:56:26 AM »
Agree with this. I understand but it's a shame that the measure of success these days in all sports is winning the whole thing (which, of course, is incredibly hard to do).
I don't think this is strictly true.  Fan bases measure success based on expectations.  For instance, I think most people agreed that the 2011 Nats had a successful season even though they only went 80-81.  The 2010 team had gone 69-93 so it was clearly a step in the right direction for the organization.  As painful as Game 5 was in 2012, I think we still saw that as a successful season because the team was young, had put up the best record in baseball, and had made their first-ever postseason appearance.  This year, the Phillies could have considered not finishing in the bottom of the NL East a success (so they still failed).  The reason nothing short of a World Series win would be a success for the Nationals boils down to the fact that they've been a World Series caliber team for long enough that it is reasonable to set a World Series win as the bar for success.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #470: July 31, 2017, 10:41:42 PM »
Nats lead is up to 14 games.

Offline rileyn

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #471: August 15, 2017, 06:00:40 AM »
So as we play out the regular season, let's look ahead for a moment........this question was asked in this weeks Chat Wrap with Boswell.......which NL East team do you think will eventually be the Nats biggest challenge to win the division?

I'm still going to say the Mets because of their pitching, albeit broken down and injured.  I always expect more the Marlins, but they always seem to flounder.  I just don't see the Phillies and Braves moving up yet unless the Phillies sign some major free agents after 2018.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #472: August 15, 2017, 06:55:48 AM »
So as we play out the regular season, let's look ahead for a moment........this question was asked in this weeks Chat Wrap with Boswell.......which NL East team do you think will eventually be the Nats biggest challenge to win the division?

I'm still going to say the Mets because of their pitching, albeit broken down and injured.  I always expect more the Marlins, but they always seem to flounder.  I just don't see the Phillies and Braves moving up yet unless the Phillies sign some major free agents after 2018.
Cant answer this question till you see the new Marlins ownership philosophy.
I would say the Phillies are in the best position but the Braves if they get some starting pitching would challenege us

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #473: August 15, 2017, 09:11:59 AM »
Cant answer this question till you see the new Marlins ownership philosophy.
I would say the Phillies are in the best position but the Braves if they get some starting pitching would challenege us
Braves have a ton of pitching in the pipeline.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #474: August 15, 2017, 10:48:41 AM »
Lead down to 13.5 and Stanton and Ozuna are unstoppable beasts who utterly refuse to lose.  Stick a fork in the Nats, they're melba toast.  See ya next year.   :pimp: