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« Reply #350: June 08, 2017, 06:38:06 AM »
Barely more, and fine, but not nearly the priority a lot of other things could be. This is the same marginal upgrade you're arguing against in the 5th starter thread.
Barely more on base?
Career OBP of .366 to .288 for Taylor.

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« Reply #351: June 08, 2017, 09:24:01 AM »
Barely more on base?
Career OBP of .366 to .288 for Taylor.

He was comparing Billy Hamilton to Taylor, not Yelich. Hamilton has a career .298 OBP, so not a big change over Taylor.

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« Reply #352: June 08, 2017, 09:36:35 AM »
He was comparing Billy Hamilton to Taylor, not Yelich. Hamilton has a career .298 OBP, so not a big change over Taylor.
Ok. My bad.

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« Reply #353: June 08, 2017, 10:43:39 AM »
Barely more, and fine, but not nearly the priority a lot of other things could be. This is the same marginal upgrade you're arguing against in the 5th starter thread.
Hamilton plays every day and will play in the playoffs. A 5th starter will not

Hamilton is better offensively, simply due to more steals and not striking out as much. Combine that with Hamilton's performance last season, where he posted a .320 OBP, and Hamilton is a decent improvement over Michael Taylor, offensively. Ideally I'd like Lorenzo Cain or Kevin Pillar, but that would probably involve giving up Robles or Fedde. Hamilton is MUCH better defensively than Taylor, which will be an every day thing in the playoffs (there are still people nagging about Turner "costing" the Nationals game(s) in the playoffs because of his inexperience in CF).

This also gives you an outfield for next season, when Werth leaves.

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« Reply #354: June 08, 2017, 02:11:44 PM »
Hamilton plays every day and will play in the playoffs. A 5th starter will not

Hamilton is better offensively, simply due to more steals and not striking out as much. Combine that with Hamilton's performance last season, where he posted a .320 OBP, and Hamilton is a decent improvement over Michael Taylor, offensively. Ideally I'd like Lorenzo Cain or Kevin Pillar, but that would probably involve giving up Robles or Fedde. Hamilton is MUCH better defensively than Taylor, which will be an every day thing in the playoffs (there are still people nagging about Turner "costing" the Nationals game(s) in the playoffs because of his inexperience in CF).

This also gives you an outfield for next season, when Werth leaves.

We have only so many resources, and we both agree on where we need to overpay.

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« Reply #355: June 08, 2017, 02:13:22 PM »
We have only so many resources, and we both agree on where we need to overpay.
If you look at my deal, the main piece is a back of the bullpen arm

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« Reply #356: June 08, 2017, 06:17:41 PM »
If you look at my deal, the main piece is a back of the bullpen arm

I like the Herrera/Cain version of that deal more.

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« Reply #357: June 16, 2017, 04:23:17 PM »
Mets lose Harvey and Walker to the DL. Syndergard expected to miss 4 more weeks. And Cespedes dealing with tendinitis.  Rough 24 hours.

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« Reply #358: June 16, 2017, 04:49:34 PM »
Mets lose Harvey and Walker to the DL. Syndergard expected to miss 4 more weeks. And Cespedes dealing with tendinitis.  Rough 24 hours.

Also:

- (NY Times estimates that, with the extra four weeks,  Syndegard won't return before the end of August.)

- Lagares ripped a tendon in his thumb diving for the catch on a bloop base-hit in the 5th. Won't play for a good while.

- Conforto has a stiff back. Seems to be day-to-day. He's the best position-player on the Mets, I think.

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« Reply #359: June 16, 2017, 10:24:04 PM »
Remember when the Mets young arms were going to dominate baseball for the next decade?

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« Reply #360: June 21, 2017, 12:02:29 AM »
The Mutts freaking blow.

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« Reply #361: June 21, 2017, 12:29:35 AM »
The Mutts freaking blow.

Legit feeling bad for them right now :lol:

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« Reply #362: June 21, 2017, 03:12:27 AM »
Legit feeling bad for them right now :lol:
I am not. You could see alot of this coming. I am glad the nats were on the forefront of valuing players injury histories and the updated training program Rizzo went with.

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« Reply #363: June 21, 2017, 11:18:08 AM »
Yeah, you could easily see this coming with the Mets. Banking your entire future on a collection of young arms is risky, as time has proven again and again.

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« Reply #364: June 21, 2017, 11:30:16 AM »
Yeah, you could easily see this coming with the Mets. Banking your entire future on a collection of young arms is risky, as time has proven again and again.
I think the biggest question is did the 2015 run to the WS end up hurting them in the long run? Did those extra innings damage their arms? deGrom seems fine. Harvey and Matz clearly not. I think Thor simply thought he was indestructible and it turns out, he's not.

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« Reply #365: June 21, 2017, 11:36:54 AM »
I think the biggest question is did the 2015 run to the WS end up hurting them in the long run? Did those extra innings damage their arms? deGrom seems fine. Harvey and Matz clearly not. I think Thor simply thought he was indestructible and it turns out, he's not.

The 20+ pounds of muscle added in the off-season in an effort to throw even harder also didn't help in Thor's case. But I imagine that goes along with thinking you're indestructible. I guess it's good to learn that lesson young. I wish I had.

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« Reply #366: June 21, 2017, 12:06:52 PM »
The 20+ pounds of muscle added in the off-season in an effort to throw even harder also didn't help in Thor's case. But I imagine that goes along with thinking you're indestructible. I guess it's good to learn that lesson young. I wish I had.



:hysterical:   Unless he was juicing that isn't possible. And even if he did make this claim, maybe he was getting paid to promote some muscle building supplement.

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« Reply #367: June 21, 2017, 12:08:10 PM »
:hysterical:   Unless he was juicing that isn't possible. And even if he did make this claim, maybe he was getting paid to promote some muscle building supplement.
He's promoting Cholula hot sauce, so maybe that was it.

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« Reply #368: June 21, 2017, 12:21:57 PM »


:hysterical:   Unless he was juicing that isn't possible. And even if he did make this claim, maybe he was getting paid to promote some muscle building supplement.

It's right here in this SI profile from the beginning of the season.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/02/08/noah-syndergaard-mets-synderella-yearbook-photo?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

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His goal at the beginning of the off-season was to bulk up from 237 pounds to 250. A month before pitchers and catchers were due to report, he weighed in at 253 and had trimmed his body fat from 15.1% to 13.5%, meaning that he had added some 17 pounds of muscle.

So it was 17. Close enough. I don't pull this stuff out of thin air. You love that little laughing emoji. Guess it makes you feel superior...

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/02/08/noah-syndergaard-mets-synderella-yearbook-photo?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

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« Reply #369: June 21, 2017, 12:37:50 PM »

So it was 17. Close enough. I don't pull this stuff out of thin air. You love that little laughing emoji. Guess it makes you feel superior...




:crackup:



17 isn't 20+ but even then, he can talk all he wants to but nobody is gaining that much muscle in one offseason without chemical aid.

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Re: NL East (2017)
« Reply #370: June 21, 2017, 01:15:46 PM »
It's right here in this SI profile from the beginning of the season.

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/02/08/noah-syndergaard-mets-synderella-yearbook-photo?xid=socialflow_twitter_si

So it was 17. Close enough. I don't pull this stuff out of thin air. You love that little laughing emoji. Guess it makes you feel superior...

https://www.si.com/mlb/2017/02/08/noah-syndergaard-mets-synderella-yearbook-photo?xid=socialflow_twitter_si
I think his point with the emoji was more skepticism that Syndegaard did it clean than over you making the story up. 

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« Reply #371: June 21, 2017, 01:24:37 PM »
I think his point with the emoji was more skepticism that Syndegaard did it clean than over you making the story up. 



Basically yes but more along the lines of Syndergaard exaggerating. I never thought that bluestreak made up the story. He just bought the bullcrap claim.

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« Reply #372: June 21, 2017, 01:34:52 PM »
The early game and having to listen at work is making me cranky, which i suppose leads to inappropriate butthurt... :)

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« Reply #373: June 21, 2017, 02:26:52 PM »
The early game and having to listen at work is making me cranky, which i suppose leads to inappropriate butthurt... :)

Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeriste keep that up and they'll make ya a moderator.       :couch:

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« Reply #374: June 21, 2017, 02:52:59 PM »
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeriste keep that up and they'll make ya a moderator.       :couch:
one of the great joys of being a mod is sometimes you do stuff to posts for the same reason dogs lick themselves - because they can.