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Offline CoryTheFormerExposFan

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Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Topic Start: March 06, 2017, 01:49:34 PM »
I think approaching Roark now about an extension could be a good move for both parties.  Roark profiles as a durable guy that should remain effective for years to come.  His value could really skyrocket by the time he hits free agency, but we could roll the dice just a bit right now and lock him up for much cheaper because he has yet to build up a lengthy track record.  Had he stayed in the rotation in 2015, I think his numbers would've resembled 2014 and 2016 and his current value would be much higher.  That 1 mediocre year spent in different roles leaves him seen as still somewhat of a "show me" guy since he was never a top prospect. 

I'd love to lock Roark up for 5 or 6 years at a reasonable cost and trust we'd have a very solid and dependable #3 starter during that time behind Max and Stras. 

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #1: March 06, 2017, 01:51:58 PM »
sort of offer him a Gio-like contract, with more $$ because it is 6 or so years later.  I forget how many years of FA we bought out when we signed Gio. 

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #2: March 06, 2017, 02:06:31 PM »
Probably doesn't want deferred money

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #3: March 06, 2017, 02:11:48 PM »
Roark doesn't become a free agent until 2020, as he heads into his age 33 season.  Why would we extend him now?  He's under team control for three more seasons (including the upcoming one).

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #4: March 06, 2017, 02:18:03 PM »
Roark doesn't become a free agent until 2020, as he heads into his age 33 season.  Why would we extend him now?  He's under team control for three more seasons (including the upcoming one).

The usual reason is a: you count on him being durable and effective as a pitcher long term, b: you want to give him a sense of security, and c: it comes at him giving up two arbitration years and 3 years of free agency.

Basically, you're betting on six years of useful production, at a below market rate, in exchange for the safety/insurance of being guaranteed cash.

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #5: March 06, 2017, 02:58:17 PM »
Roark doesn't become a free agent until 2020, as he heads into his age 33 season.  Why would we extend him now?  He's under team control for three more seasons (including the upcoming one).

He's going to become an expensive arbitration guy, so you pay him perhaps a little more than he'd be making anyway through arbitration in those years but also get him through his mid-30s at a reasonable rate as well.  We get an added few years of affordable good pitching and Roark gets paid more now instead of waiting on a bigger payday in 2020 that may not come if he falters.

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #6: March 06, 2017, 02:58:51 PM »
The usual reason is a: you count on him being durable and effective as a pitcher long term, b: you want to give him a sense of security, and c: it comes at him giving up two arbitration years and 3 years of free agency.

Basically, you're betting on six years of useful production, at a below market rate, in exchange for the safety/insurance of being guaranteed cash.

Yea, you said it better.

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« Reply #7: March 06, 2017, 03:30:39 PM »
Extending him beyond his age 33 season seems like a pretty big gamble.   I get that he's not a flame thrower, but i'm not sure it's realistic to think he's going to be the same Tanner Roark in 2021, 22, and 2023.

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Re: Tanner Roark
« Reply #8: March 06, 2017, 04:17:15 PM »
Extending him beyond his age 33 season seems like a pretty big gamble.   I get that he's not a flame thrower, but i'm not sure it's realistic to think he's going to be the same Tanner Roark in 2021, 22, and 2023.
then buy one FA year (2020) and get an option for one or two more.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #9: March 11, 2017, 06:37:12 PM »
Roarke hitting the mound against the DR! USA!


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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #10: March 13, 2017, 08:12:58 AM »
Roarke hitting the mound against the DR! USA!

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not  a reliever.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #11: March 13, 2017, 08:22:04 AM »
Roarke hitting the mound against the DR! USA!

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not  a reliever.
Got ourselves a lovely preview of Game 2 of the NLDS. Roark chokes and RObertson chokes some more

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #12: March 13, 2017, 08:23:22 AM »
Got ourselves a lovely preview of Game 2 of the NLDS. Roark chokes and RObertson chokes some more
well, maybe its the world series preview and it is miller who gets the loss

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« Reply #13: March 13, 2017, 09:29:31 AM »
well, maybe its the world series preview and it is miller who gets the loss

That already happened

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #14: March 20, 2017, 09:19:14 AM »
Is he getting enough work in the WBC to get him ready to ramp up for the regular season?  I don't think he's getting a start unless the US makes the final v. Puerto Rico and they don't want to try Stroman again.  I'd hate to see him set back by the lack of pitching, but the 4th starter in a 3 man tournament rotation isn't a prescription for work.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #15: March 20, 2017, 09:34:10 AM »
No, he's not. Though he has a start coming up I believe . . . ? I gotta assume that he's throwing on the side a bit.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #16: March 20, 2017, 09:47:00 AM »
No, he's not. Though he has a start coming up I believe . . . ? I gotta assume that he's throwing on the side a bit.

Mindfact  ...   I figure it would be easier for a pitcher to stay somewhat game ready than a position player like Murphy.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #17: March 20, 2017, 09:50:23 AM »
Mindfact  ...   I figure it would be easier for a pitcher to stay somewhat game ready than a position player like Murphy.
Unquestionably it's easier.  But it ain't easy.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #18: March 20, 2017, 09:56:16 AM »
Unquestionably it's easier.  But it ain't easy.
I can't remember who I was listening to but they said the long spring trainings were for pitchers and that hitter would only need a week or two to get ready.

I think the WBC shows you can have some exciting baseball even with pitchers on pitch limits. I think they could start the season in mid March and then finish mid September. Just expand the rosters early season to let each team carry dorm additional pitchers.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #19: March 20, 2017, 10:09:04 AM »
I can't remember who I was listening to but they said the long spring trainings were for pitchers and that hitter would only need a week or two to get ready.

That does seem to be a well-accepted theory, but I don't see how that squares with the 100 at bat theory.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #20: March 20, 2017, 10:16:23 AM »
That does seem to be a well-accepted theory, but I don't see how that squares with the 100 at bat theory.
The 100 bat theory is pure BS. No one in ST gets more than 60 AB's.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #21: March 20, 2017, 10:41:26 AM »
Chelsea Janes‏Verified account @chelsea_janes  23m23 minutes ago

Dusty said he talked to Jim Leyland, and that Mike Maddux has talked to Tanner Roark. Understanding is that Roark is on a pitch count Tues.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #22: March 20, 2017, 10:58:20 AM »
No way I extend Roark. I sure hope he got the 2 seamer moving tonight or Samurai Japan will destroy him.

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #23: March 20, 2017, 10:59:01 AM »
The 100 bat theory is pure BS. No one in ST gets more than 60 AB's.

So it only applies during the regular season?

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Re: Tanner Roark (2017) - Extend?
« Reply #24: March 20, 2017, 11:58:01 AM »
Chelsea Janes‏Verified account @chelsea_janes  23m23 minutes ago

Dusty said he talked to Jim Leyland, and that Mike Maddux has talked to Tanner Roark. Understanding is that Roark is on a pitch count Tues.
So he gets Japan and Archer goes in the final if they get that far?