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Offline GuyFromCO

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Re: NFL Thread (2017-18)
« Reply #50: March 10, 2017, 08:25:14 PM »
Meh, you might spend it to end up with an elite talent under a cost controlled contract for four years

Could've also signed two freaking starters, including Pyror. There's gotta be a trade off at some point. That's why the Browns are the Browns.

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« Reply #51: March 10, 2017, 09:13:07 PM »
Could've also signed two freaking starters, including Pyror. There's gotta be a trade off at some point. That's why the Browns are the Browns.

They still have plenty of cap space left over

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« Reply #52: March 10, 2017, 09:16:39 PM »
You might end up spending 16 million to end up with Reggie Brooks.

And? Who gives a freak. You think Free Agents are lining up to go to Cleveland?

They paid 16 million to give themselves another chance to draft a quality player.

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« Reply #53: March 10, 2017, 09:18:32 PM »
Could've also signed two freaking starters, including Pyror. There's gotta be a trade off at some point. That's why the Browns are the Browns.

Pryor signed a one year, 8 million dollar deal. Do you really think money was the reason why they didn't sign him but signed Britt to 4/32?

Browns still have 55 million in cap space

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« Reply #54: March 10, 2017, 09:19:45 PM »
Pryor signed a one year, 8 million dollar deal. Do you really think money was the reason why they didn't sign him but signed Britt to 4/32?
No. They did it because they are dumb. Doesn't matter anyway who you have as a receivers when you don't have a QB.

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« Reply #55: March 10, 2017, 10:34:35 PM »
And? Who gives a freak. You think Free Agents are lining up to go to Cleveland?

They paid 16 million to give themselves another chance to draft a quality player.


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« Reply #57: March 11, 2017, 07:05:54 AM »

Submit your resume at Redskins Park. Learn to cup Snyder's balls and he will love you.

I'd it for the paycheck

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« Reply #58: March 11, 2017, 01:08:49 PM »
Nice :)

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2017/03/10/saints-ship-brandin-cooks-to-patriots/
really blowing me away they are doing this without giving up Butler.   Re-signed Alan Branch helps keep the D line solid.  The Allen pickup was nice, and the CB from Buffalo should replace Ryan pretty well.  Please bring back Hightower.   

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« Reply #59: March 11, 2017, 06:24:12 PM »
really blowing me away they are doing this without giving up Butler.   Re-signed Alan Branch helps keep the D line solid.  The Allen pickup was nice, and the CB from Buffalo should replace Ryan pretty well.  Please bring back Hightower.

Gillmore was the best signing. Overpaid, but that's FA. freak the Pats, maaaaaaan.

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« Reply #60: March 13, 2017, 04:08:01 AM »
really blowing me away they are doing this without giving up Butler.   Re-signed Alan Branch helps keep the D line solid.  The Allen pickup was nice, and the CB from Buffalo should replace Ryan pretty well.  Please bring back Hightower.   

yeah, the pats are doing quite well in this offseason...

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« Reply #61: March 15, 2017, 05:19:49 PM »
really blowing me away they are doing this without giving up Butler.   Re-signed Alan Branch helps keep the D line solid.  The Allen pickup was nice, and the CB from Buffalo should replace Ryan pretty well.  Please bring back Hightower.   
wish granted.  4 years, $43MM, $19MM guaranteed.  Less than the cap hit for franchising him.

I read the Saints have the #11 pick.  If Butler signs and the Pats don't match, then they get that pick.  Let's assume Cleveland doesn't want to trade the #1 for Jimmy G (which would be the right call, of course).  Suppose they put the #12 in the package instead.  How high up in the round could the #11 plus the #12 move the Pats?

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« Reply #62: March 15, 2017, 05:40:08 PM »
  How high up in the round could the #11 plus the #12 move the Pats?


It depends on the teams involved. If you're dealing with Dan Snyder you're more likely to fleece him for a ton of picks for an obviously worthless player. But theoretically those 2 picks should be enough to move up all the way to the 3rd overall selection with perhaps even an extra 3rd or a 4th rounder. Belichik would most likely try to flip those for a stable of later or/and future picks.

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« Reply #63: March 15, 2017, 11:46:11 PM »
wish granted.  4 years, $43MM, $19MM guaranteed.  Less than the cap hit for franchising him.

I read the Saints have the #11 pick.  If Butler signs and the Pats don't match, then they get that pick.  Let's assume Cleveland doesn't want to trade the #1 for Jimmy G (which would be the right call, of course).  Suppose they put the #12 in the package instead.  How high up in the round could the #11 plus the #12 move the Pats?

Consider the cap ramifications too. Still blows my mind that the Pats are able to make these deals, but considering their sweetheart deal with Gisele, they can get away with more. There's quite a hit for #1 overall compared to #31 (whoops...)

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« Reply #64: March 16, 2017, 09:15:21 AM »

It depends on the teams involved. If you're dealing with Dan Snyder you're more likely to fleece him for a ton of picks for an obviously worthless player. But theoretically those 2 picks should be enough to move up all the way to the 3rd overall selection with perhaps even an extra 3rd or a 4th rounder. Belichik would most likely try to flip those for a stable of later or/and future picks.
IIRC there's sort of an accepted chart maybe Jimmy Johnson put together for the price for moving picks for picks, so what you are saying sounds right. 

As for cap space, the Pats still have about $30MM I'm told by a friend who tracks this stuff.  Saints have some room too.

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« Reply #65: March 16, 2017, 11:11:26 AM »
I wouldn't really be bothered by cap space. That used to be a concern but with the rookie salary scale that is no longer such an issue.


In 2000, the Redskins traded their 12th and I think it was the 24th pick in the 1st round for SF's 3rd overall. NE has a much sweeter deal to offer with the 11th and 12th but the draft value of picks has changed slightly since 2000. But again it really depends on who your trade partner is. The Redskins got absolutely fleeced in 2012 and with the way Belichik operates I could see him trading those two picks to Washington in exchange for a decade's worth of 1st and 2nd rounders.

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« Reply #66: March 27, 2017, 04:04:44 PM »
http://deadspin.com/the-raiders-are-moving-to-las-vegas-and-it-stinks-1793682944

Why would Raiders fans in Oakland go to any games for the next two years? I'd feel stupid cheering for a team that was about to get the heck out of dodge as soon as it could. 

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« Reply #67: March 27, 2017, 04:09:23 PM »
http://deadspin.com/the-raiders-are-moving-to-las-vegas-and-it-stinks-1793682944

Why would Raiders fans in Oakland go to any games for the next two years? I'd feel stupid cheering for a team that was about to get the heck out of dodge as soon as it could. 

I hope the Oakland city council has the balls to screw with them on the way out

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« Reply #68: March 27, 2017, 04:11:45 PM »
I hope the Oakland city council has the balls to screw with them on the way out

yea to me announcing the move and then staying put for two years, especially when you're talking about Raiders fans I mean, it could get ugly there.  Remember the Browns' last game?  Those people tore that stadium apart and they only found out they were moving like 1/2 way through the season I think. 

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« Reply #69: March 27, 2017, 04:14:43 PM »
yea to me announcing the move and then staying put for two years, especially when you're talking about Raiders fans I mean, it could get ugly there.  Remember the Browns' last game?  Those people tore that stadium apart and they only found out they were moving like 1/2 way through the season I think. 

with two years, I'm just thinking of the ways the city could mess with them - at the very least they should declare Davis' stupid eternal flame a fire hazard and extinguish it

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« Reply #70: March 27, 2017, 11:45:13 PM »
http://deadspin.com/the-raiders-are-moving-to-las-vegas-and-it-stinks-1793682944

Why would Raiders fans in Oakland go to any games for the next two years? I'd feel stupid cheering for a team that was about to get the heck out of dodge as soon as it could.

Because they're gonna win their division/make a playoff run

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« Reply #71: March 28, 2017, 12:27:37 PM »
Eagles signed Chris Long. Should fit well next to Cox.

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« Reply #72: March 28, 2017, 01:11:01 PM »
Eagles signed Chris Long. Should fit well next to Cox.

He'll be close to dad's alma mater.

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« Reply #73: March 28, 2017, 01:51:48 PM »
He'll be close to dad's alma mater.
Always good to have Long Cox.

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« Reply #74: March 28, 2017, 01:52:20 PM »