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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #150: February 23, 2017, 12:58:32 PM »
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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #151: February 24, 2017, 09:11:56 AM »
Marmolejos to the 60 day DL to make room for Wieters.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #152: February 24, 2017, 10:25:00 AM »
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« Reply #153: February 24, 2017, 10:26:10 AM »
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Not who, what.   It's a city in Spain.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #156: February 24, 2017, 12:22:19 PM »
http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/nationals-sign-matt-wieters-for-some-reason/

This is literally the dumbest article ever. So it's a bad move to sign Wieters based on the premise that Norris could bounce back. And if he doesn't?

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #157: February 24, 2017, 12:24:23 PM »
This is literally the dumbest article ever. So it's a bad move to sign Wieters based on the premise that Norris could bounce back. And if he doesn't?
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But there’s just not much evidence that Wieters is clearly better than Norris either. They’re both below average catchers, which is why the Padres gave Norris away and Wieters sat around in free agency until the end of February. If there’s an upgrade here, it’s a marginal one at best, especially because the team will now likely have to dump Norris or Lobaton for not much in return, given that they can’t carry all three catchers on their Opening Day roster.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #158: February 24, 2017, 01:37:54 PM »
The Fangraphs article seems to assume that the Nats must pick one starting catcher now, and drop the second-stringer. Why? Neither Weiters nor Norris take up much salary. Why not keep both?

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #159: February 24, 2017, 01:38:38 PM »
The Fangraphs article seems to assume that the Nats must pick one starting catcher now, and drop the second-stringer. Why? Neither Weiters nor Norris take up much salary. Why not keep both?

So you have 2 catchers on the bench? Unless you then move Lobaton, who is more valuable as a backup for us than anything he'd get in a trade.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #160: February 24, 2017, 02:03:30 PM »
So you have 2 catchers on the bench? Unless you then move Lobaton, who is more valuable as a backup for us than anything he'd get in a trade.
Why not? teams run three catchers all the time. It would only be temporary until Zimmerman and Rendon end up on the DL

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #161: February 24, 2017, 02:06:33 PM »
Why not? teams run three catchers all the time. It would only be temporary until Zimmerman and Rendon end up on the DL

Don't forget Jayson. Seriously, the fact that there are options when injuries crop up or vets need rest is a good thing.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #162: February 24, 2017, 02:08:58 PM »
Why not? teams run three catchers all the time.
Regular cacher, backup, and emergency.  Emergency catcher is one whose primary position is not catcher. Teams don't carry three players whose primary position is catcher.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #163: February 24, 2017, 02:13:25 PM »
Regular cacher, backup, and emergency.  Emergency catcher is one whose primary position is not catcher. Teams don't carry three players whose primary position is catcher.
The Cubs kept three catchers on the roster last year. Welington Castillo, David Ross, and  Montero/Tim Federowicz

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #164: February 24, 2017, 02:42:53 PM »
The Cubs kept three catchers on the roster last year. Welington Castillo, David Ross, and  Montero/Tim Federowicz
Castillo wasn't with the Cubs last year.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #165: February 24, 2017, 02:43:23 PM »
The Cubs kept three catchers on the roster last year. Welington Castillo, David Ross, and  Montero/Tim Federowicz

Didn't Castillo play for the Diamondbacks last year?

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« Reply #166: February 24, 2017, 02:43:48 PM »
Castillo wasn't with the Cubs last year.

Maybe they kept him in their hearts.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #168: February 24, 2017, 03:10:10 PM »
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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #169: February 24, 2017, 03:25:33 PM »
Pedro Severino has a bobblehead night at Potomac in June. Would be awkward if he were traded now.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #170: February 24, 2017, 03:40:57 PM »
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/why-maddon-cubs-opted-keep-three-catchers-after-miguel-monteros-return
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/87197562-132.html
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/09/13/joe-maddon-cubs-weigh-whether-to-carry-3-catchers-on-postseason-roster/
http://cubbiescrib.com/2016/09/22/chicago-cubs-three-catchers/
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178107748/tim-federowicz-on-cubs-having-three-catchers/

I would rather have Derek Norris than Michael A Taylor. At least for a game or two. You can shift Turner to CF until you call up Taylor or Goodwin for a long term replacement.

I also don't think Norris is going to be as putrid at the plate as he was last year.

I agree. I like the idea of Norris PHing and letting Lobaton be Gio's personal catcher.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #171: February 24, 2017, 03:42:23 PM »
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"There's not much evidence that Wieters is better at the plate than Norris."

.186 is much worse than .243. I mean it's freaking math. Everyone said Murphy couldn't carry his offensive explosion during the playoffs over for a whole season.

The probability of Derek Norris returning to an All star catcher is much lower than Matt Wieters having a better season at the plate.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #172: February 24, 2017, 05:08:36 PM »
http://www.csnchicago.com/chicago-cubs/why-maddon-cubs-opted-keep-three-catchers-after-miguel-monteros-return
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/87197562-132.html
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/09/13/joe-maddon-cubs-weigh-whether-to-carry-3-catchers-on-postseason-roster/
http://cubbiescrib.com/2016/09/22/chicago-cubs-three-catchers/
http://m.mlb.com/news/article/178107748/tim-federowicz-on-cubs-having-three-catchers/

I would rather have Derek Norris than Michael A Taylor. At least for a game or two. You can shift Turner to CF until you call up Taylor or Goodwin for a long term replacement.

I also don't think Norris is going to be as putrid at the plate as he was last year.

What does this have to do with Welington Castillo not playing for the Cubs last year?

But seriously, Willson Contreras played a third of his games LF and OPSd .845 last season. If Derek Norris can do that, go ahead and run with three C. They also had a perfect platoon between Montero (300 points higher OPS vs. RHP) and Ross (300 points higher OPS vs. LHP).

Whereas Norris, Wieters, and Zimmerman all have the same split - weak against RHP, strong against LHP. So again - why does it make sense to keep a third catcher who can only "play" 1B? You're never planning to platoon Norris for Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman gets injured then Lind is already playing the fat half of the platoon at 1B.

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #173: February 24, 2017, 05:16:11 PM »
Rizzo says they only became interested in Wieters after his price dropped. Implies that Norris will be traded:  http://www.masnsports.com/nationals-pastime/2017/02/rizzo-on-wieters-norris-closers-and-bakers-contract.html

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Re: Report: Wieters Nearing Deal with Nats
« Reply #174: February 24, 2017, 05:53:38 PM »
What does this have to do with Welington Castillo not playing for the Cubs last year?

But seriously, Willson Contreras played a third of his games LF and OPSd .845 last season. If Derek Norris can do that, go ahead and run with three C. They also had a perfect platoon between Montero (300 points higher OPS vs. RHP) and Ross (300 points higher OPS vs. LHP).

Whereas Norris, Wieters, and Zimmerman all have the same split - weak against RHP, strong against LHP. So again - why does it make sense to keep a third catcher who can only "play" 1B? You're never planning to platoon Norris for Zimmerman, and if Zimmerman gets injured then Lind is already playing the fat half of the platoon at 1B.

It makes sense for when Zimmerman goes on the DL for 80 games and you need a platoon split for Lind