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Offline Truconfidence

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #75: December 16, 2016, 07:05:36 PM »
Love Ziegler also love that he knows hos weaknesses and doesnt really gove lefties anything to drive. they hit him pretty good though. Righties have 0 chance. the only thing that makes him bad for closing for us is having Murphy at 2b.

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #76: December 16, 2016, 08:57:13 PM »
Love Ziegler also love that he knows hos weaknesses and doesnt really gove lefties anything to drive. they hit him pretty good though. Righties have 0 chance. the only thing that makes him bad for closing for us is having Murphy at 2b.

Well you'll hate him now, he's a Marlin.

Offline Truconfidence

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #77: December 16, 2016, 10:45:38 PM »
Well you'll hate him now, he's a Marlin.
thats a good closer for them because of their infield defense. I was always fine with going with Glover to start and then making adjustments as necessary at the deadline.

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #78: December 17, 2016, 08:10:49 AM »
Well you'll hate him now, he's a Marlin.
2 years and only $16 million. I guess that the Nats didn't really want him.

Offline imref

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #79: December 17, 2016, 09:59:08 AM »
2 years and only $16 million. I guess that the Nats didn't really want him.

He's mediocre against lefties. That's all I can think of.

Offline Expos

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #80: December 17, 2016, 10:59:38 AM »
It would be nice to get Alex Colome. A young fireballer under control for years on a cheap contract.

This yearly closer search is not too fun.


Offline dshawg77

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #81: December 17, 2016, 11:17:27 AM »
It would be nice to get Alex Colome. A young fireballer under control for years on a cheap contract.

This yearly closer search is not too fun.

Based on Rizzo's first trade, we will probably trade Harper for him.

Offline NatsAllThe Way

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #82: December 17, 2016, 01:02:52 PM »
Based on Rizzo's first trade, we will probably trade Harper for him.

Harper and Robles.

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Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #84: January 30, 2017, 07:32:24 PM »
Seems to me that closer-by-committee until the break is a sensible approach.

Fangraphs likes Kelley

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/shawn-kelley-washington-nationals-closer/

Offline Natsinpwc

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #85: January 30, 2017, 07:33:36 PM »

Offline Slateman

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #86: January 30, 2017, 09:00:27 PM »
Fangraphs likes Kelley

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/shawn-kelley-washington-nationals-closer/

Two things:

1. He hasn't been great in high pressure saves in the past
2. He is likely headed towards another TJS.

Offline tzinc

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #87: January 31, 2017, 03:04:41 PM »
One thing that was SHOWN from last season without a doubt was the importance of a shut down closer.

It is disgusting they couldn't get the job done and get one.

They couldn't even pick up someone with a pedigree like Casilla or Holland.

Imagine next year as the lack of a closer kills this team again and again Paps style... what will it cost to get a closer then in terms of destroying long term depth on the team? Versus what it would have cost now which is just  MONEY

Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #88: January 31, 2017, 03:22:11 PM »
I don't think it shows it at all. I think what is shows is how bad it is to rely on the same guy that can't get it done night after night because they're "the closer."

Mixing and matching in the ninth should be as effective as it is in any other inning.

One thing that was SHOWN from last season without a doubt was the importance of a shut down closer.

It is disgusting they couldn't get the job done and get one.

They couldn't even pick up someone with a pedigree like Casilla or Holland.

Imagine next year as the lack of a closer kills this team again and again Paps style... what will it cost to get a closer then in terms of destroying long term depth on the team? Versus what it would have cost now which is just  MONEY

Offline tzinc

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #89: January 31, 2017, 03:53:54 PM »
As far as I can remember bullpen by committee has not worked in delivering WSs to teams almost every WS winner over the years has had a dominant closer.  Most successful teams do not employ bullpen by committee.  Some teams have had 2 or 3 dominant closers on their team at a time but that is not bullpen by committee that is a team with several dominant closers.  The Nats do not have a dominant closer let alone a couple of them.

The great thing is we can debate this but the proof will be in the pudding we will see during the season whether I'm right or you are.

And the thing with Paps imo is they kept sending him out because they didn't think the other guys could close. Closing is not just a physical thing it is very much a mental thing as well.


Offline dracnal

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #90: January 31, 2017, 03:55:59 PM »

The thing with Paps imo is they kept sending him out because they didn't think the other guys could close.

Closing is not just a physical thing it is very much a mental thing as well.

I agree to the second sentence, but not the first. Paps was sent out because he was 'the closer' and Matt Williams was not one to deviate from a plan. Any plan. Standard decision. And if other people were closing games, Paps would not have handled it well at all, from a mental standpoint.

Offline skippy1999

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #91: January 31, 2017, 04:15:28 PM »
And if other people were closing games, Paps would not have handled it well at all, from a mental standpoint.

Would any pitcher?  Andrew Miller notwithstanding, aren't they all more comfortable knowing their "role"?

Offline DPMOmaha

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #92: January 31, 2017, 04:53:35 PM »
One thing that was SHOWN from last season without a doubt was the importance of a shut down closer.
It's shown that you need it in the playoffs. The Nats have more than enough talent to piece meal it through until the trade deadline and figure out what to do then. You absolutely do not need a dominant closer during the regular season. It's nice, I'd love to have it, but if the rest of your team is strong, which I think the Nats are, you can get through the season without it. You probably won't survive October, however.

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Offline Slateman

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #94: January 31, 2017, 10:23:05 PM »
I don't think it shows it at all. I think what is shows is how bad it is to rely on the same guy that can't get it done night after night because they're "the closer."

Mixing and matching in the ninth should be as effective as it is in any other inning.


Its not. Particularly with Dusty.

Offline GburgNatsFan

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #95: February 01, 2017, 12:17:05 PM »
Shrug. I suspect we are going to see.

Its not. Particularly with Dusty.

Offline madj55

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #96: February 01, 2017, 08:11:56 PM »
So the options appear to be Kelley, Nathan, Treinen and Glover.

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #97: February 01, 2017, 10:31:01 PM »
So the options appear to be Kelley, Nathan, Treinen and Glover.


Offline imref

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #98: February 02, 2017, 12:19:28 AM »
Papelbon and Soriano are still out there...

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Re: Closer Watch: 2017
« Reply #99: February 02, 2017, 09:31:13 AM »