Author Topic: Eaton for Giolito Lopez and Dunning (Read 92515 times)

UMDNats · « **Reply #1450:** July 15, 2019, 10:23:37 AM »

Quote from: NJ Ave on July 15, 2019, 10:21:03 AM

Why did we ever trade Felipe Vazquez away? He's on a team-friendly contract and what's Melancon doing to help us?

Can't believe we traded away Brad Peacock. We don't even have anything to show for it!

Slateman · « **Reply #1451:** July 15, 2019, 10:38:53 AM »

Quote from: NJ Ave on July 15, 2019, 10:19:47 AM

Did I stutter??

Gee I'm shocked that 3 years later it doesn't look as good to have a 31-year old OF instead of two 25-year old pitchers.

Which trades did we not cash in on in the first two years?

NJ Ave · « **Reply #1452:** July 15, 2019, 12:16:14 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 15, 2019, 10:38:53 AM

Which trades did we not cash in on in the first two years?

Literally every trade where we gave away future assets for near-term players, unless I'm forgetting about a bunch of playoff series wins that made them all worth it.

Like it's easy in retrospect to say we'd rather have back Luzardo, Treinen, Vazquez, Giolito, Lopez, etc. etc. etc.

tenken627 · « **Reply #1453:** July 15, 2019, 12:22:08 PM »

Quote from: UMDNats on July 15, 2019, 10:12:17 AM

Adam Eaton proves that while "clutch" may not be a thing, "anti-clutch" is definitely a thing. Davey needs to pinch-hit for him in late-game situations when we need a run IMO. He almost always has a piss-poor at-bat and not only doesn't score the run, but usually does negative damage.

This might be absolutely true looking at his 2019 stats

2019 Adam Eaton w/ RISP

71 AB
.225 BA
.239 SLG
.606 OPS

Slateman · « **Reply #1454:** July 15, 2019, 12:28:01 PM »

Quote from: NJ Ave on July 15, 2019, 12:16:14 PM

Literally every trade where we gave away future assets for near-term players, unless I'm forgetting about a bunch of playoff series wins that made them all worth it.

Like it's easy in retrospect to say we'd rather have back Luzardo, Treinen, Vazquez, Giolito, Lopez, etc. etc. etc.

We got Doolittle and Madson for Luzardo and Treinen. Doolittle and Madson have been more valuable than both of them. Doolittle alone has been worth that. Treinen has one good season that he doesn't appear to be able to replicate.

We got Melancon for Vazquez. Melancon was a rental and panned out well. It's easy to say well, we should have kept Vazquez, but he was struggling here.

Sure, it'd be nice if Rizzo had a crystal ball and knew that Eaton was going to have a major injury here in DC. But I don't see how he's supposed to predict that. In 23 games, prior to injury in 2017, Eaton accumulated 0.5 WAR. That's roughly 3.5 WAR season. It's safe to say that Eaton is a ~3.4-4.5 WAR player if he stays healthy. For a guy who until this season, couldn't put up an ERA under 4.

The Nats have actually "cashed in" on all of their trades except Eaton. And Eaton was due to a fluke injury.

NJ Ave · « **Reply #1455:** July 15, 2019, 12:32:49 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on July 15, 2019, 12:28:01 PM

We got Doolittle and Madson for Luzardo and Treinen. Doolittle and Madson have been more valuable than both of them. Doolittle alone has been worth that. Treinen has one good season that he doesn't appear to be able to replicate.

We got Melancon for Vazquez. Melancon was a rental and panned out well. It's easy to say well, we should have kept Vazquez, but he was struggling here.

Sure, it'd be nice if Rizzo had a crystal ball and knew that Eaton was going to have a major injury here in DC. But I don't see how he's supposed to predict that. In 23 games, prior to injury in 2017, Eaton accumulated 0.5 WAR. That's roughly 3.5 WAR season. It's safe to say that Eaton is a ~3.4-4.5 WAR player if he stays healthy. For a guy who until this season, couldn't put up an ERA under 4.

The Nats have actually "cashed in" on all of their trades except Eaton. And Eaton was due to a fluke injury.

You're missing the point, which is nothing new.

The point is its stupid to analyze the Eaton trade 2.5 years later based on what both sides of the trade are doing this year.

I gave you $10 dollars 3 years ago and you promised me $3 a year, every year for 4 years. This year you say, man that trade doesn't look so good because I have to give you $3 and I get nothing.

That's dumb.

Slateman · « **Reply #1456:** July 15, 2019, 12:45:19 PM »

Quote from: NJ Ave on July 15, 2019, 12:32:49 PM

You're missing the point, which is nothing new.

The point is its stupid to analyze the Eaton trade 2.5 years later based on what both sides of the trade are doing this year.

I gave you $10 dollars 3 years ago and you promised me $3 a year, every year for 4 years. This year you say, man that trade doesn't look so good because I have to give you $3 and I get nothing.

That's dumb.

That's literally every trade in baseball. You trade known commodities for unknown, but potentially more lucrative ones.

imref · « **Reply #1457:** July 15, 2019, 12:50:09 PM »

this thread seems to be quite repetitive.

Baseball is Life · « **Reply #1458:** July 15, 2019, 12:51:02 PM »

Quote from: imref on July 15, 2019, 12:50:09 PM

this thread seems to be quite repetitive.

Just this thread?

Natsinpwc · « **Reply #1459:** July 15, 2019, 01:17:31 PM »

NatsAllThe Way · « **Reply #1460:** July 16, 2019, 08:38:59 AM »

Giolito was just okay last night and got the loss.

spidernat · « **Reply #1461:** July 16, 2019, 09:38:44 AM »

Quote from: NatsAllThe Way on July 16, 2019, 08:38:59 AM

Giolito was just okay last night and got the loss.

which is all that counts

NatsAllThe Way · « **Reply #1462:** July 16, 2019, 10:42:03 AM »

Quote from: spidernat on July 16, 2019, 09:38:44 AM

which is all that counts

Wins and losses are the only meaningful stats for pitchers, RBIs for hitters.

Mattionals · « **Reply #1463:** July 16, 2019, 11:16:18 AM »

Quote from: NatsAllThe Way on July 16, 2019, 10:42:03 AM

Wins and losses are the only meaningful stats for pitchers, RBIs for hitters.

In defense of advanced stats, Giolito pitched 6 innings, struck out 5, walked 1, and gave up 7 hits. That is pretty mediocre, and I would guess that he was even a bit lucky with only walking away with 3 earned runs.

bluestreak · « **Reply #1464:** July 16, 2019, 11:21:01 AM »

Quote from: Mattionals on July 16, 2019, 11:16:18 AM

In defense of advanced stats, Giolito pitched 6 innings, struck out 5, walked 1, and gave up 7 hits. That is pretty mediocre, and I would guess that he was even a bit lucky with only walking away with 3 earned runs.

Have we gotten to the point where hits, walks and strikeouts are "advanced stats"