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Offline Slateman

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #1: May 19, 2016, 08:47:20 AM »
Was at cruising altitude (37,000 feet, I think).  accidents at cruising altitude are relatively rare (all accidents are, but landing and takeoff incidents are 9 times more frequent).  Any mention of weather or age of the A-320?
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/MSR804/history/20160518/2045Z/LFPG/HECA/tracklog
Flight log

Weather looks clear: http://i.imgur.com/m4xNIz3.jpg

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #2: May 19, 2016, 09:48:27 AM »
I was flying in that region within the past month (Qatar Airways, Washington-Doha-Singapore return) - flew near there on the eastbound trip but flew over Iran, the Caucasus and Ukraine on the way back.

A bit unsettling nonetheless.

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« Reply #3: May 19, 2016, 09:52:31 AM »
pretty safe bet it was a bomb on-board. it was too high for a missile.  Maybe another run like the guy who blew himself out of a hole in the fuselage a few months back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3431295/Islamist-terror-group-Al-Shabaab-named-prime-suspects-bomb-blast-tore-hole-Somali-plane-sucked-passenger-death.html

Most disturbing part is that he would have gotten through security in a major airport.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #4: May 19, 2016, 10:48:47 AM »
pretty safe bet it was a bomb on-board. it was too high for a missile.  Maybe another run like the guy who blew himself out of a hole in the fuselage a few months back.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3431295/Islamist-terror-group-Al-Shabaab-named-prime-suspects-bomb-blast-tore-hole-Somali-plane-sucked-passenger-death.html

Most disturbing part is that he would have gotten through security in a major airport.

The crew?

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« Reply #5: May 19, 2016, 10:50:55 AM »
The crew?
That could be a good guess.  I believe they are supposed to check everyone now but wouldn't be surprised that there are shortcuts.  Disturbing that this plane took off from Paris.  This will put a damper on summer air travel.

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« Reply #6: May 19, 2016, 11:06:37 AM »
You're probably right about it being a bomb on board, but MH17 was shot down at cruising altitude.  Granted, that was over land...a Buk platform would be hard to put on a boat. 
pretty safe bet it was a bomb on-board. it was too high for a missile. 

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #7: May 19, 2016, 11:06:51 AM »
The baggage loading crew - not the flight crew

The crew?

Offline houston-nat

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« Reply #8: May 19, 2016, 11:36:11 AM »
Greek authorities have found some debris. Also:

At a news conference in Athens, the defense minister, Panos Kammenos, said that the plane had crossed from Greek airspace southeast of the island of Karpathos into Egyptian territory around 3:39 a.m. Greek time. Minutes later, the aircraft abruptly turned “90 degrees left and then 360 degrees to the right,” then descended toward the water, Mr. Kammenos said. Its altitude then plunged from 37,000 feet to 15,000 feet and continued descending before it disappeared from radar, he said.

Aviation safety experts said that while sudden movements like this were highly unusual at any phase of flight and suggested some kind of in-flight emergency, it was impossible at this stage to draw any further conclusions.

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If there's terrorism involved, that sounds more like hijacking than bomb.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #9: May 19, 2016, 11:51:47 AM »
Well, if it was something like the underwear bomb, it is possible that it blew a hole in the side, causing the immediate change in flight path, and then the 360 was an attempt at a compensating maneuver.  however, no "Mayday" call has been reported, so it sounds like the crew may not have had time (or desire?) to react.

Don't forget, Egypt Air years ago had the loon who crashed off Long Island, and the crash of the German plane in the Alps was also a loon.  It may be more a disturbed pilot than a bomb.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #10: May 19, 2016, 12:06:25 PM »
Three air marshals were on the plane. - NBC

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #11: May 19, 2016, 12:06:28 PM »
Wikipedia story which may be updated from time to time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_804

I note from this story that the aircraft in point had previously been in Asmara, Eritrea. Don't be surprised if that's where the bomb was put aboard - the government there (one of the world's most autocratic) has frequently been accused of being in cahoots with al-Shabaab and other terrorist groups.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #12: May 19, 2016, 12:08:54 PM »
Was it an Egypt air flight that the pilot drove into the Atlantic?

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #13: May 19, 2016, 12:10:56 PM »
Was it an Egypt air flight that the pilot drove into the Atlantic?

Correct - Flight 990 (31st October 1999), by the relief first officer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EgyptAir_Flight_990

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #14: May 19, 2016, 02:36:31 PM »
The baggage loading crew - not the flight crew


I meant the flight crew.    Didn't one of Egypt Air's pilots nose dive one of their planes?   (Should have read the previous posts.    :-[)

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« Reply #15: May 19, 2016, 03:11:33 PM »
A Germanwings pilot committed suicide by plane about 2 years ago as well.  No religious or political motive; rather, mental illness.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germanwings_Flight_9525

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« Reply #16: May 19, 2016, 04:07:48 PM »
The most Malaysia plane was suspected of being intentionally put down too.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #17: May 19, 2016, 04:20:56 PM »
Interesting couple of days travel for that particular aircraft.

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« Reply #18: May 20, 2016, 12:42:37 AM »
Interesting couple of days travel for that particular aircraft.

Have they still not found any confirmed debris from that plane?

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #19: May 20, 2016, 06:04:24 AM »
Some debris has been found near Alexandria, Egypt

Have they still not found any confirmed debris from that plane?

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #20: May 20, 2016, 07:12:25 AM »
So far nobody has claimed credit which is unusual.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #21: May 20, 2016, 08:28:39 AM »
So far nobody has claimed credit which is unusual.
I think historically, AQ has been slower to claim credit than DAESH.  AQAP has been under a lot of pressure.  If it isn't a lone wolf, then I'm guessing AQAP.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #22: May 20, 2016, 06:32:35 PM »
There's a report that fire alarms went off in the plane before it went down.    Discussion on http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/general_aviation/read.main/6700324/1/#207 is speculating that there was some sort of fire in the cockpit based on the messages.   That doesn't mean it wasn't sabotage, but it seems to reduce the likelihood of a passenger carrying a bomb.

FWIW, a UPS plane crashed a few years ago after a lithium battery started a fire.

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« Reply #23: May 20, 2016, 06:58:05 PM »
I'm now seeing speculation of an electrical fire in the avionics based off imref's link and The Guardian.

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Re: Egypt Air plane incident
« Reply #24: May 20, 2016, 10:46:35 PM »
Shill and Trump were pretty quick to say it was an act of terrorism...