STRAS EXTENDED!!! (7 years, $175 million)

[Count Walewski]

Can't listen to podcasts at work. But I'll listen to it one day when I'm home.

[Elvir Ovcina]

Can't listen to podcasts at work. But I'll listen to it one day when I'm home.

I'm glad that at least this insane discussion has led to something that might be interesting to those nerds among us.

[Ray D]

I think he was goin' for the definition of "is" minutia.     

Oh. Bill.  I assumed Hillary. I was trying to connect what he said to keeping classified information on a server in your bedroom.

[Ray D]

Can't listen to podcasts at work.

Why? It's not pictureso is it?

[whytev]

Can't listen to podcasts at work. But I'll listen to it one day when I'm home.

Work is where I listen to all of them. And where I watch the first three innings of most games.

[mitlen]

Oh. Bill.  I assumed Hillary. I was trying to connect what he said to keeping classified information on a server in your bedroom.

It's a family thing generally.   

[Count Walewski]

Why? It's not pictureso is it?

Mostly because I don't have headphones at my workstation right now

[wj73]

Journal of Bone and Joint Surgery has a pretty good article about elbow injuries in the throwing athlete

http://reviews.jbjs.org/content/2/11/e4

with a good diagram of exactly where that muscle is:

http://reviews.jbjs.org/content/2/11/e4.figures-only

[imref]

so do we start a "strasburg shutdown 2016" thread or leave the inevitable discussion here?

[Ray D]

Why? It's not pictureso is it?

"pictureso" get's changed to "pictureso"?

[whytev]

Mostly because I don't have headphones at my workstation right now

Forgetting headphones at work for me is almost as bad as forgetting them on a plane.

[whytev]

so do we start a "strasburg shutdown 2016" thread or leave the inevitable discussion here?

Starting it.

[HalfSmokes]

I'm not trying to be Clintonian but what if Stras suffered a paralyzing injury last nite ? Or was in a car accident and suffered the same fate that did not occur while traveling to or from the ballpark.  And you keep referring to a contract that does not take effect until next year. He is currently performing under his current contract and I acknowledge that he will be paid on full under the terms of that contract but most on here are referring  to a contract that starts in the future. I maybe invalidating my own query in regards to "did Stras sign an extension " or was a new contract created?

The contract is already signed. Assuming he's able to report, and for $175 million, paralyzed or not someone is wheeling him to ST if the team insists, he's getting paid. If he was dead or in jail and unable to report, then it might be voidable. Termination language is on page three if you want to see for yourself
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/files/mlb-contract.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwix9LOy1YDPAhVIC5AKHcL5BMAQFggbMAA&usg=AFQjCNHIqbX18VALVCVQJzwr3JR0kvyZXg

[DPMOmaha]

Forgetting headphones at work for me is almost as bad as forgetting them on a plane.

If I used headphones at work, I would have a dedicated pair.

[tomterp]

You're essentially asking about voiding the future contract based on impossibility of performance, then.  The common law of impossibility is reasonably complex, but there are two reasons it almost certainly doesn't apply here.  The first is that paralysis would literally make it impossible for him to perform his duties.  Tommy John surgery wouldn't.  He'd still be able to go out there and, at a minimum, chuck 70-mph meatballs down the middle.  Hell, he could probably do that without even getting the arm fixed.  At that point, you're in a much different world (impracticability/commercial unreasonability) in which it is much, much harder to get out from under a contract.  Almost certainly he'd need to be paid in those circumstances, given the foreseeability of such an event. (Note that I'm ignoring the issue of whether MLB contracts contract out of the impossibility doctrine entirely - I don't know, but it's certainly possible that they might.)

The second, and probably dispositive, one is that if who bears the risk of injury prior to the extension kicking in is not specifically defined in that agreement, both sides should fire whomever negotiated the contract.  If Strasburg took himself out of being on the free agent market this winter without guaranteeing that he'd get paid anyway if he suffered a career-ending injury this year, then Boras and his team would have a whole truckload of egg on their faces.

Edit: To answer your last question, the extension would be a separate contract.  It has different terms than the current contract.

You would think the CBA would address inability to perform for injury incurred on non-baseball matters, which was one of aspenbubba's questions.

http://mlb.mlb.com/pa/pdf/cba_english.pdf

I scanned the thing, as well as the uniform player contract and didn't see any reference to such an event. 

[JCA-CrystalCity]

I asked for an attorneys opinion hoping JCA would respond. He did not identify himself as an attorney.

by the way, I don't do contract law.  or estates.  or tax.  or anything useful.

[whytev]

If I used headphones at work, I would have a dedicated pair.

I do but sometimes I leave wearing them.

[DPMOmaha]

I do but sometimes I leave wearing them.

Well, there's always that risk. Or maybe a backup pair is in order? Can never have too much depth.

[HalfSmokes]

by the way, I don't do contract law.  or estates.  or tax.  or anything useful.

I doubt the player contract is the important part since its part of a broader cba - so the real question is do you do labor law

[Elvir Ovcina]

by the way, I don't do contract law.  or estates.  or tax.  or anything useful.

Ha - same.  But this one is basically covered in Contracts class.  Here's the default rule.  Now, did you contract out of the default rule?

[KnorrForYourMoney]

I'm a good sport. I'll take a joke. I enjoy a good laugh, even at my expense.

But that's a pretty freaked up thing to say.

I'm manifesting my petty resentment.

[mitlen]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/09/09/worried-about-your-aces-100-million-arm-there-is-insurance-for-that/

[bk1998]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/09/09/worried-about-your-aces-100-million-arm-there-is-insurance-for-that/

I'm interested to understand why the author states that Stras will make $18.3M in 2017?  Seems he's applying a third of the signing bonus ($10M) that isn't payable until 2019.  That could very well be the amount the Nats have to absorb on the books from a payroll perspective, but it's not cash paid out.

Stras takes home only $15M per year 2017-2023.

[whytev]

I'm interested to understand why the author states that Stras will make $18.3M in 2017?  Seems he's applying a third of the signing bonus ($10M) that isn't payable until 2019.  That could very well be the amount the Nats have to absorb on the books from a payroll perspective, but it's not cash paid out.

Stras takes home only $15M per year 2017-2023.

Standard practice to spread the signing bonus across the contract when speaking of it. Since the first three years only are guaranteed not to be opted out, he applies it to those.

[bk1998]

Standard practice to spread the signing bonus across the contract when speaking of it. Since the first three years only are guaranteed not to be opted out, he applies it to those.

Seems fair from a team payroll perspective, but still odd that the insurance rate wouldn't be based on the actual cashflow.

Stras won't see more than $15m in any given year from this deal.  $15M/yr through 2023, $10M/yr 2024-2030.

I'm honestly surprised that guys are taking these deferred deals with no interest.