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Did a little for the radio station, that's about it. I was alarmingly unfocused in college. :)
A former Diamondback reporter? 

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Well, truth be said, there isn't that much "heart of it" in any of the four variations of the articles. I think they were written to keep readers reading more than to convey hard news information.

...But if it takes too long for the reader to figure out the real info in the article, he will stop reading it.  I know I did.  I get tired of muddling through to get to the heart of it...

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I, too, don't feel that increased financial oversight is a negative. I wonder whether things were so lax under MLB that there were instances of expense abuse that could not continue/would be exposed with increased oversight. I also wonder what hidden agenda might be behind the series of articles.

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I just reread these articles, and I don't find much negative in them at all. In what evolving organization aren't there a handful of disgruntled employees? I think the title (National Crisis) is more a play on words than a description of the author's opinion of the Nats FO. Each one ends on a fairly positive note. They just sort of sound like inside baseball. Imagine what they would sound like if they were about, say, the Orioles...

If, in the long run, the organization decided to part ways with Bowden, I wouldn't shed any tears.

I, too, don't feel that increased financial oversight is a negative. I wonder whether things were so lax under MLB that there were instances of expense abuse that could not continue/would be exposed with increased oversight. I also wonder what hidden agenda might be behind the series of articles.

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Did a little for the radio station, that's about it. I was alarmingly unfocused in college. :)

I wouldn't say you were unfocused at all.  I would say instead that you had many concurrent focii, able to keep a lot of things in the air simultaneously.   ;)

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I had no idea we had so many journalism experts here.  Can anybody get us some coverage in a major paper? :lol:

I got a Quill & Scroll Journalism award in high school.  I had no interest in pursuing it further, because of limited opportunities for advancement in that field. Sweet Polly Purebred is apparently willing to do things for Underdog that I would never do with any dog, regardless of breed.

The Daily Planet is a major paper, but I think they're caught up in that Yankee thing.  You could have got this Forum some coverage if you'd run out into right field at RFK last week.  You could have gotten a gang together wearing Forum shirts (that don't take a minute to read), and tackled three presidents, so Teddy Roosevelt could win the race.  USA Today is headquartered in Rosslyn, VA.

Wow, we do have a lot of journalists/writers here, don't we?  I'm one myself.

(B.S. in Journalism and Minor in Cinematic Arts, Radford University 03'.  Did internet magazine, newspaper, and Exec of Campus TV channel.

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Wow!  I didn't know there were so many of us here either!  Very cool!

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Well put. Untrue, but well put. :)
I wouldn't say you were unfocused at all.  I would say instead that you had many concurrent focii, able to keep a lot of things in the air simultaneously.   ;)


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NOTLD, your avatar is disproportionate. I hadn't realized it was The Wookie until I saw the pics in another forum. The way it looks in your avatar (shortened), it looks more like some fat, old dude. Something I'm fairly familiar with being, well, a fat old dude.  Sigh.

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article wasnt that bad compared to the situtation in Bmore.  talk about disfunctional.  saw last nite that Foss quit. 

NOTLD, your avatar is disproportionate. I hadn't realized it was The Wookie until I saw the pics in another forum. The way it looks in your avatar (shortened), it looks more like some fat, old dude. Something I'm fairly familiar with being, well, a fat old dude.  Sigh.

Yeah, I just stole it from that SI article and plugged it into the profile via the forum sizing it.  I was planning to work on it but haven't had the time yet.  I'll fix it.

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Wow!  I didn't know there were so many of us here either!  Very cool!

I wasn't going to go there but since everbody else has:

West Virginia University P.I. Reed School of Journalism, class of '94   8)

This is beginning to sound a lot like one of those "Come out of the closet" support groups. ;)

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This is beginning to sound a lot like one of those "Come out of the closet" support groups. ;)
Well we certainly know the past reputation of journalists as alchoholics...so you might not be far from the truth.   :lol:  Actually I was a photo-journalist more than a writer, but I took the degree mostly because I'm a terrible mathlete.  I think alot of students take the journalism major because of that particular trait.

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Crikey!  Is there anyone in this Forum who has NEVER done any work in journalism?

Layout can be very important....

 

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<laughing>  Actually I was a photo-journalist more than a writer, but I took the degree mostly because I'm a terrible mathlete.  I think alot of students take the journalism major because of that particular trait.



Cheers.  8)  :rofl:

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Just stumbled on this. Rosenthal is having a chat about his piece at 1 p.m. today on the Post site.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/05/03/DI2007050300715.html

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Just stumbled on this. Rosenthal is having a chat about his piece at 1 p.m. today on the Post site.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/discussion/2007/05/03/DI2007050300715.html
I did one of these Washington Post chat sessions before.  Don't expect your question to be answered until way late in the discussion, if at all.  The question que gets lengthy and they censor some of the ones that they don't want to answer.  Regardless, the published results of the Q&A session should prove interesting.

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Yes, that's been my experience. I usually just read the transcripts after the fact.

Is the transcript out from this yet?

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Did you catch in the sidebar to Rosenthal's piece about trading Chad that Jon Rauch is now a left-hander?

Senators2005- I didn't realize you were a fellow Mountaineer.  Me, too. 

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Is the transcript out from this yet?
Yeppers...here it is:

Fox Sports Writer on Nationals' Penny Pinching
Ken Rosenthal
Reporter, Fox Sports
Thursday, May 3, 2007; 1:00 PM

Is the Nationals front office beset by turnover and mismanagement? That's what some former employees and others sources told Fox Sports senior baseball writer Ken Rosenthal. Rosenthal will be online Thursday, May 3 at 1 p.m. ET to take questions about his story, National crisis: Capital franchise in turmoil.

A transcript follows.

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Washington, D.C.: Mr. Rosenthal,

As a Nationals fan, I was very interested in your piece and reading about some of the problems currently plaguing the club?

However, how about a little context? Not so much for me, but the casual or non-fan. The Lerners haven't even owned the team for a full year yet, correct? And they acquired a franchise that everybody agrees was left to rot on the vine by MLB.

Granted, many things in your article raise legitimate question about administration of the team, but let's give the new owners at least a full year/season at the helm before we start pointing fingers.

Ken Rosenthal: You've got a fair point. However, I wrote the article because I felt that some of the things that were taking place were beyond the norm, even for an ownership inheriting a difficult situation.

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Washington, D.C.: Ken,

How would you respond to those that say you're just out to bash the Nationals? Why the focus on them and not some other club? I'm not questioning your motives, per se -- just curious about the "process" behind doing this piece. Thanks.

Ken Rosenthal: I write about all 30 teams, praising them when warranted, bashing them when warranted. Yankee fans say I'm biased against the Yankees. Red Sox fans say I'm biased against the Red Sox. I hear this all the time.

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Washington, D.C.: Ken, thanks for participating in this forum, and congrats on a very well written article.

The citizens and businesses of D.C. are responsible for the $611 million in bonds that are financing the new stadium. The ability to pay off the interest and principal of those bonds will be directly related to ticket sales and concessions. These are going to be directly correlated especially after the first season to how well the team performs. In your interviews did you get any sense that the ownership and management also understand their responsibility to fielding a competitive team (as opposed to this years team) in order that these bonds are paid off. The D.C. residents are taking a risk here as well in trusting this ownership.

Ken Rosenthal: Thanks for the compliment. I totally understand your point. I did get a sense from Kasten - and have all along - that he "gets" it. It's in their absolute interests to put a winning product on the field.
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20152: Ken,

As a national sports writer, what's your take on Stan Katsen's Plan?

i.e. Cutting payroll this year, pouring money into player development and trying to build a farm system before going out and spending money in free agency.

A lot of fans were turned off by the team not making a big splash in free agency, but we've all seen where that's gotten the Redskins.

Ken Rosenthal: I happen to like the plan. If anything, I think they need to go further. They should have traded Soriano. They should trade Cordero. If you're going to in this direction, you've got to go full bore.

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The Upper Decks: Online chats last year frequently alluded to the Lerners' painstaking, hard-nosed (some would say "cheap") attitude in all aspects of their business dealings; from FedEx charges down to pencils. This approach might work well in the construction business; I've heard it observed that this may help the owners greatly in supervising the completion of the new stadium.

But does that business attitude work as well in the very unscientific, mercurial world of professional athletics? Some owners are clearly irrational and unreasonable in their pursuit of championships, and some organizations seem to pamper and prize their staff -- perhaps rewarding them beyond what a marketplace might otherwise set.

Did your reporting uncover any reports of hard-headed businessmen unwilling to match other organizations' mad quest to succeed (at the expense of the bottom line)?

Ken Rosenthal: I think it comes down to ownership needing to do certain things to build morale. The Braves, for example, have extremely high morale. Why? Because management treats employees right. Obviously baseball is different than other businesses. The Lerners - if they want to keep good people - need to adjust.

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Washington, D.C.: Ken,

Great work. Front office drama is far more interesting than anything going on on the field this season. Thanks for shedding some light on the recent turnover which, to an outsider, appeared to be suspicious and possibly indicative of a large-scale issue.

Has there been any reaction from MLB (i.e. Selig, DuPuy, Reinsdorf)? This is the group that hand-picked the Lerners and urged them to add Stan Kasten. Any sense that they are nervous they made the wrong choice, and that perhaps the Malek group or Jeff Smulyan would have been a better choice? I seem to recall that the concerns about the Lerner group and Kasten prior to the sale of the club were that this assembly of leadership would be heavy-handed and frugal. Justified, or too early to call it?

Ken Rosenthal: Too early to call. No reaction from MLB. In general, MLB prefers owners to be frugal - at least when it comes to player salaries. Obviously, though, MLB officials badly want the franchise to succeed. If this team was a mess in, say, two years, I'm sure they would be concerned.

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Silver Spring, Md.: What was the point of your article, exactly? I don't get it, a couple of disgruntled mid-level employees couldn't pick up housing expenses because they live in Florida. I live in Silver Spring. I can't stay in a hotel in Washington when my agency holds an event there. I didn't hear too much from these clowns when their travel vouchers were getting paid and they had jobs. Time to move on to that second career of selling used cars, boys. Surely this isn't the first new ownership team to face adjustment issues in their first year of ownership. Although this might be the first new ownership team to take over an entire organization that was left for dead by MLB. The Bowden/Kasten dichotomy is old news. If all of the crybaby/know-it-all consultants and Fed employee fans who claim that the Nationals somehow owe them something could put as much energy into solving the country's problems as they do in complaining about Kasten and Bowden's rebuilding project and the hot dogs, I think America would be in much better shape. If they think that the Lerners owe them something for the sweetheart stadium deal, guess again. Blame the elected officials that you voted for, D.C. Oh, guess what, The Yankees have won one more game than the Nationals. A three part non-story on this, only in Washington.

Ken Rosenthal: The point of the article was to shed light on certain things going on internally with the Nats - things that I thought were worthy of attention. The disgruntled employees were one aspect of it, yes. But there are plenty of other things in there as well.
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Re: Soriano: Ken,

We hear a lot from the talking heads about not trading Soriano. Do you know of any good deals that were offered that Bowden refused?

Ken Rosenthal: Tough to say what was offered. Most of the interested teams contend that Bowden set his asking price so high, the talks never got all that hot. The question is, could they have done better than the 31st and 68th draft picks - the compensation the Nats ultimately received when Soriano left as a free agent. I'm willing to guess the answer is yes.
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Columbia, Md.: Just curious. How did you get this story? Did those employees come to you, or did you seek them out?

Ken Rosenthal: I talk to people from all 30 teams constantly; I'm on the 4,000-minute cell-phone plan. I started hearing things and checked into them.

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Washington, D.C.: Mr. Rosenthal, will you please specify on what issues the Nats deviate from the norm?

How far from the norm are they? With Stan Kasten, I thought these types of "newbie" issues would be minimal.

Ken Rosenthal: The turnover is beyond the norm, even considering that it's a relatively new G.M. and new owner. The issues with expenses are also beyond the norm. Scouts from other teams were talking about it all spring.
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Section 213, Row 12: Here's my question, and it's a serious question.

Have the Nats properly staffed the front office?

I understand that the Nats are committed to developing their farm system. After the pillaging that occurred under Omar Minaya and MLB, I understand that commitment. (How much better would this team be with Grady Sizemore and Jason Bay in the outfield, Brandon Phillips in the middle infield, and Cliff Lee and Chris Young in the rotation?)

But the Winter Caravan that they put out was a joke, ticket relocations during the offseason were handled haphazardly and with another 3000-4000 seats not being renewed - that's a missed opportunity for goodwill, season tickets were delivered barely on time, the concessionaires weren't ready for the Opening Day crowd, the promotions calendar is meager.

Are they properly staffed up there? And if so, what do they do all day?

Ken Rosenthal: I asked this question, not specifically about tickets, but about scouting and player development. I do think the Nats' baseball operations is fully staffed, yes.

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Prince William Co., Va.: Ken, you've followed Jim Bowden's career a lot more thoroughly than most of us have. Do you see anything in his track record that indicates he knows how to build pitching, particularly a starting rotation? Based upon his years in Cincinnati, I don't see it, and fear he's exerting Rasputin-like influence over the Lerners. You would think Kasten -- who saw Atlanta's rise to prominence built upon pitching -- would know better. I really thought he'd bring in someone like Dayton Moore or Frank Wren as GM.

Ken Rosenthal: That's a legitimate point about Bowden - he hasn't done a particularly good job building starting rotations. That said, he also has never operated with the resources that he will have in Washington. He's clearly bright and creative, so it will be interesting to see how he fares.

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Glen Echo: Ken

You've given us 4,917 words of negativity. Is there anything positive that you can think of ?

Ken Rosenthal: Did you read the sidebar on how Kasten is working the ambassadors? I try to make the articles as fair as possible.

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Anonymous: You mentioned treating people right. Do you sense the Lerners, Kasten, and Bowden accept how important this is and are willing to change?

I fear that no good baseball person -- player or management -- will want anything to do with the Nats because they treat people poorly. Money only goes so far -- we see that with Mr. Angelos.

Ken Rosenthal: Great point. I think that Bowden and Kasten believe they didn't have the right people in place, and that's why the turnover has been as extensive as it has been. I don't know that they see a need to change. Only time will tell if that is the case.

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Washington, D.C.: I'm very sad I'll be in a meeting for this chat, I've always been a big fan since your Baltimore Sun days!

How much do you think this process truly differs from any other changing of the guard in upper management of professional sports??

It certainly sounds dramatic, but anytime there is leadership change in any business there is going to be turnover and turmoil as personalities mesh or clash.

Ken Rosenthal: Thanks for following me all these years! In doing the articles, it was difficult to separate how much of this was normal and how much of it was out of the norm. I made the point at least once that such issues aren't unusual during ownership transitions. That said, as I mentioned before, I wrote the articles only after concluding that some of the things going on were, uh, a little unusual

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20120: Ken,

Since you're plugged in. Has anyone used any of your 4,000 cell minutes to mention any improvement in the Nats farm system?

Are there any names scouts are talking about?

Ken Rosenthal: No one raves about the Nats' system, at least not yet. They've got some decent prospects, some interesting guys from last year's draft, but they're not nearly at the level where they want to be.

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Washington, D.C.: While I appreciated many of the points you made in your comprehensive article, I am not so sure that I share your optimism about the long-term prospects of the Nats in this market. D.C. is a very competitive sports market where just about every major and minor American sport has made the tactical decision to plant their flag in this region -- the latest being Tiger Woods new tournament at Congressional. While the Redskins have enormous fan support in the D.C .area, I am under the impression that the Wizards (who are arguably the second most popular team in DC) are only in the middle of the pack in the NBA in terms of revenue. In short, why do you think the Nationals will likely become a major revenue team in light of the stiff competition for sports entertainment in this market and, I might add, the salient points you made in your article?

Ken Rosenthal: I just think the market has changed significantly since the Senators left - it's bigger, wealthier. We're talking about the seventh-largest TV market in the country. The new ballpark should be an attraction. The Nationals have advantages that other franchises don't.

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Washington, D.C.: Your article is an informative mix of expose and optimism. Which direction do you instinctively lean to with the Lerners?

Ken Rosenthal: I'm in a wait-and-see mode. I know that sounds wishy-washy, but I do think the situation needs more time to evolve.

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Great Falls, Va.: I am very concerned with the broken promises about customer service. They promised better ticket service, but season tickets this year were delivered one week (or less) before opening day. They promised a better RFK experience, but the lines, bad food and conditions this year are no better than last. Finally, they promised in a glossy brochure last winter to send packages to season-ticket holders about relocation in April, but now they're saying late May or June. These broken promises add up and raise serious concern whether they know what they're doing. Is there any serious effort to improve customer service, or are they just going to keep making empty promises?

Ken Rosenthal: On this, I have no idea - sorry. I tried to cover a lot of ground in these stories, but didn't get into that area.

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Washington, D.C.: It's reassuring to see that you like "The Plan."

Being new to this "patience" thing, what are realistic expectations this fan should have? How successful? How soon?

Ken Rosenthal: Wow, that's a great question. I think the Nats believe - privately - that they can be competitive next season and perhaps a contender the year after that. I'm skeptical of that timetable. I just don't think they have enough talent in the pipeline yet.

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Arlington, Va.: I have a question on Bowden. As you mentioned, he's really made some really good (one-sided) trades. I have no idea how he pulled off the Kearns/Lopez deal and dumping Vidro and all that cash is also hard to believe. At the same time, it seems that the general baseball community has no respect for him and don't want to deal with him. I'm not sure if its his arrogance or the fact that they don't want to be embarrassed by him. How does he stand with the other GMs, and do you think he hurts the Nats more than he helps them. Thank you.

Ken Rosenthal: Some GMs don't like Bowden, but I don't know that it hinders his ability to make deals. If the Nats have a player that a certain GM wants, that GM is going to deal with Bowden. Personality CAN be an issue, but with Soriano, for example, the bigger issue was the asking price.

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Logan Circle, D.C.: Ken,

Thanks for your article and shedding some light into our ownership. I'm still willing to give them a chance since they are new and having dysfunctional ownership wouldn't be a new thing here in DC. Anyhow, any reaction to your article from the Nats brass? Do you expect to get the cold shoulder from Kasten and Bowden when you run into them next?

Ken Rosenthal: No reaction from the Nationals. I don't know how Stan and Jim will receive me. I've known both a long time, especially Jim - we worked together during the 2004 post-season on ESPN's Cold Pizza. That said, I feel it's my responsibility to report things like this. I fully understand that certain relationships might not be the same afterward.

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Ken Rosenthal: Everyone, I've got to run. Thanks very much for reading the article. Your questions were excellent. I'll be working the Mariners at Yankees game for FOX this Saturday afternoon at 3:55 p.m.

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Comment in a chat today hosted by David Pinto, Baseball Prospectus.

Han (Maryland): David. What do you think of that Foxsports.com report on the bitterness towards the Nats' front office?

David Pinto: Well, that sort of thing happens when new management comes in. My guess is under MLB management, things were pretty easy going there. Now you have an ownership that wants to put their stamp on the organization, and they're conducting a purge. I don't think this is unusual at all. I saw this happen at a company I worked for when there were bought out. The old management team was pushed out. The question for me is, are they being replaced with good people? Given the results under MLB, it doesn't appear the former group did a great job.


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Might as well chime in. I'm another journalism major; University of Toronto (although I tacked on an MBA at a later date). To the person who made the comment that it (journalism) is a limited field: it's translated into a fairly rewarding career for me running communications at the corporate level.