Stephen Strasburg Cy Young Award Watch 2016

[mimontero88]

I just don't want him getting a pass for sucking because you think he was injured...he's likely to suck again this year...and we don't need apologists covering for him with mindfacts...

Even with that awful stretch the man won 14 games (and had a few more wins that were robbed from him by our bullpen), posted a 2.79 ERA, and threw two no-hitters in the same regular season for the first time since Nolan Ryan did it.  I'm not sure I would describe the overall result as "sucking" unless anyone who doesn't win the Cy Young sucks.

[varoadking]

$2,140,000.00 per win and $4,225,000.00 per WAR sucks, IMHO.

[mimontero88]

$2,140,000.00 per win and $4,225,000.00 per WAR sucks, IMHO.

One win of WAR is supposed to be worth $5 million as of like 2012.  That number has only gone up so if by sucks you mean "significantly overperforms the value of the contract" then you have a point.

[Baseball is Life]

$2,140,000.00 per win and $4,225,000.00 per WAR sucks, IMHO.

So how much per WAR and per win would it take for him not to suck? If he won 20, it would be $1.3 per win. Is that enough?

[mimontero88]

In 2014, you can see that Fangraphs valued a win of WAR at significantly more than $5 million taking all of the numbers in this article into consideration.  Article concludes that a win was worth $6 million in 2014 but other numbers point to a value even higher in the article.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cost-of-a-win-in-the-2014-off-season/

[varoadking]

In 2014, you can see that Fangraphs valued a win of WAR at significantly more than $5 million taking all of the numbers in this article into consideration.  Article concludes that a win was worth $6 million in 2014 but other numbers point to a value even higher in the article.

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-cost-of-a-win-in-the-2014-off-season/

So Harper should have been made $57MM or more last year?

Need Slate to weigh-in on FanGraphics... 

[mimontero88]

So Harper should have been made $57MM or more last year?

Need Slate to weigh-in on FanGraphics... 

That's why he is being discussed as possibly being worth a $600 million contract, yes.  Glad to see you're learning now.

[Slateman]

So Harper should have been made $57MM or more last year?

Need Slate to weigh-in on FanGraphics... 

What do you care about Fangraphics or metrics. Wins are all that matters. Obviously, Collin McHugh and COlby Lewis are better pitchers

[varoadking]

What do you care about Fangraphics or metrics. Wins are all that matters. Obviously, Collin McHugh and COlby Lewis are better pitchers

Glad to see that you're coming around...

[mimontero88]

As a mathematics major, I find it pretty hilarious when people try to argue with numbers.  Numbers don't have opinions.  As the article points out, different assumptions can change the computations but other assumptions noted actually priced WAR even higher so FG's estimate of $6 million may have even been a bit low.  Unless you believe you have some mathematical insight into a better method of calculating WAR values, which I would be happy to discuss with you since I'm looking for a research project, I think arguing with numbers just makes you seem unintelligent with all due respect.

[varoadking]

That's why he is being discussed as possibly being worth a $600 million contract, yes.  Glad to see you're learning now.

First I have heard of $600MM...another mindfact?

[varoadking]

As a mathematics major, I find it pretty hilarious when people try to argue with numbers.  Numbers don't have opinions.  As the article points out, different assumptions can change the computations but other assumptions noted actually priced WAR even higher so FG's estimate of $6 million may have even been a bit low.  Unless you believe you have some mathematical insight into a better method of calculating WAR values, which I would be happy to discuss with you since I'm looking for a research project, I think arguing with numbers just makes you seem unintelligent with all due respect.

Sorry...I haven't been healthy lately... 

[Slateman]

As a mathematics major, I find it pretty hilarious when people try to argue with numbers.  Numbers don't have opinions.  As the article points out, different assumptions can change the computations but other assumptions noted actually priced WAR even higher so FG's estimate of $6 million may have even been a bit low.  Unless you believe you have some mathematical insight into a better method of calculating WAR values, which I would be happy to discuss with you since I'm looking for a research project, I think arguing with numbers just makes you seem unintelligent with all due respect.

Shhhhh ... take that logical bullcrap out of here

[varoadking]

Shhhhh ... take that logical bullcrap out of here

Said the King of Contrary...

[mimontero88]

First I have heard of $600MM...another mindfact?

Hmmmm... I actually am only seeing articles about $500 million so I suppose I'm misremembering.  Still makes the point though especially with the consideration that Harper's production in WAR is so high that no team could truly afford to pay him what he's actually worth, meaning that market forces outside of teams' control dictate that Harper won't be paid his actual value in WAR.

[varoadking]

Hmmmm... I actually am only seeing articles about $500 million so I suppose I'm misremembering.

That's OK...you get a pass...as a math major you likely know that the 5 and the 6 are right close to one another, so they are easilly confused...

[mimontero88]

That's OK...you get a pass...as a math major you likely know that the 5 and the 6 are right close to one another, so they are easilly confused...

Actually, they are uncountably far apart because the interval between 5 and 6 contains all possible iterations of decimals, whose cardinality is larger than the cardinality of the natural numbers, meaning that they are uncountably infinite.  /nerdrant

[varoadking]

Actually, they are uncountably far apart because the interval between 5 and 6 contains all possible iterations of decimals, whose cardinality is larger than the cardinality of the natural numbers, meaning that they are uncountably infinite.  /nerdrant

Tell that to the Romans...they put them right next to one another... 

[mimontero88]

Tell that to the Romans...they put them right next to one another... 

The ancients knew nothing of set theory

[JCA-CrystalCity]

Tell that to the Romans...they put them right next to one another... 

!Wome had cowulmns?

[varoadking]

!Wome had cowulmns?

Them boys just ain't right...

[Squab]

Stephen Strasburg's new toy. (A slider, also not exactly new, but interesting in the way he's using it.)

http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/stephen-strasburgs-new-toy/

[HattoriHanzo]

I remember what he said and I also didn't buy it at the time.  Professional sports players aren't exactly known for being honest about their health.  But again, we can agree to disagree on this one.  I certainly can't prove he was injured and I don't claim that I can.  I do, however, believe he was.

Scherzer wasn't injured. His problem was that his arm slot started to drop and he watched some video and noticed that it was much lower than normal and that he would throw 1,000 or so balls on the side to get his muscle memory back to where his arm slot was supposed to be.

[Smithian]

Awesome start today 

[madj55]

James Wagner ‏@JamesWagnerWP  1m1 minute ago
More Dusty on Strasburg: "He looked like he was close to needing mouth-to-mouth. I wasn't gonna give it to him."