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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #350: May 04, 2016, 06:55:13 AM »
once revere gets back and Turner is up, I hope the lineup is as follows:

CF Revere
3B Rendon
RF Harper
C  Ramos (Imagine what he could do with protection.  When was the last time he was healthy and had protection?)
2B Murphy
1B Zimmerman
SS Turner
LF Werth (his passive approach is perfect for the 8 spot)

No to Ramos in the cleanup spot. He'll hit in to way, way too many double plays.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #351: May 04, 2016, 08:24:46 AM »
There's no way Roark should have pitched in the 8th. First, look at the quality and where the team is in the lineup.  If you're at 6-7-8 or 7-8-9 of a fairly weak lineup, you can give the pitcher a little more leeway, with a big lead.  This was the lineup of the defending WS champions.

For Roark, they were at 9-1-2 and when they got back to leadoff, that was the beginning of the 4th time through the lineup.  When did Tanner Roark become a pitcher who should be allowed to be seen by a lineup, four times?  Answer, he's not.  There are few starters who should see a  lineup four times and the Nationals don't have any of them.  And it wasn't as if Roark had been putting up zeros.  He's already given up three runs.

This was botched just as much as how long he stayed with Papelbon.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #352: May 04, 2016, 09:32:50 AM »
I thought pitching to Hosmer with first base open was dumb. It cost two runs (assuming the next guy didn't do the same thing).

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #353: May 04, 2016, 03:50:18 PM »
No to Ramos in the cleanup spot. He'll hit in to way, way too many double plays.

He'll also get way, way too many hits

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #354: May 04, 2016, 03:53:11 PM »
He'll also get way, way too many hits

Yep, when I think of someone racking up hits in the cleanup spot, my mind immediately goes to career .260 hitters

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #355: May 04, 2016, 03:55:58 PM »
Yep, when I think of someone racking up hits in the cleanup spot, my mind immediately goes to career .260 hitters

Have you seen the way Ramos is playing?  He's healthy and hitting well.  Protect this man!!!

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #356: May 04, 2016, 04:26:17 PM »
bumping this today, Dusty was at fault for the L, papsmear imploded, after the game was tied he should have been gone. or after the royals got 1st and third with 2 out. terrible

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #357: May 04, 2016, 04:34:30 PM »
Yep, when I think of someone racking up hits in the cleanup spot, my mind immediately goes to career .260 hitters

did you know that our current clean up hitter, if you take his batting averages for the last 4 years, is hitting.... .262

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #358: May 04, 2016, 04:39:05 PM »
And has not been called upon to field a throw. :D

Have you seen the way Ramos is playing?  He's healthy and hitting well.  Protect this man!!!

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #359: May 07, 2016, 06:31:46 PM »
He's such a freaking idiot.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #360: May 07, 2016, 06:33:40 PM »
Great game today!!

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #361: May 07, 2016, 06:36:59 PM »
If the pitchers would have gotten anyone out that inning it would have helped his strategery.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #362: May 07, 2016, 06:50:42 PM »
If the pitchers would have gotten anyone out that inning it would have helped his strategery.

Sound logic. If Gio pitches 9 and gives up no hits, yeah.

He's was lit up most of the game, but pitched well enough to get out of it. Should've never started the 6th.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #363: May 07, 2016, 07:10:07 PM »
Sound logic. If Gio pitches 9 and gives up no hits, yeah.

He's was lit up most of the game, but pitched well enough to get out of it. Should've never started the 6th.
Easy to say that when it didn't work.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #364: May 07, 2016, 07:12:29 PM »
Easy to say that when it didn't work.

Alright then

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #365: May 07, 2016, 07:22:26 PM »
Alright then
Look at it another way. Has the Nats bullpen been handling the Cubs this series?  Not really. I am sure he consulted with Maddux also so will give OL Rusty the benefit of the doubt for now.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #366: May 07, 2016, 07:57:07 PM »

He's was lit up most of the game, but pitched well enough to get out of it. Should've never started the 6th.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #367: May 08, 2016, 03:10:06 AM »
That was a brilliantly managed game.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #368: May 11, 2016, 10:38:19 AM »
We need a metric to measure the quality of the manager's lineup.

I would suggest men left on base divided by runs scored per game averaged over a period of time. The higher the number, the worse the lineup.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #369: May 11, 2016, 11:36:58 AM »
We need a metric to measure the quality of the manager's lineup.

I would suggest men left on base divided by runs scored per game averaged over a period of time. The higher the number, the worse the lineup.
not sure that works.  some manager's are going to have rosters that are just more prone to LOBs.  That's true if you have a roster of high K power hitters, or one that is patient and draws walks and Ks by seeing a number of pitches.  That also rewards a lineup that places slow ground ball machines like Zimmerman behind guys who walk a lot because a double play eliminates an LOB candidate the same as a scoring the guy.  What you need it some sort of measure of the same set of players as if managed by someone else.  You can do that if you compare runs per fame of a team to an "optimized" line up you can find on the internet.  there may be other ways to do it, too.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #370: May 11, 2016, 11:41:28 AM »
:lmao:

Looking at that now, I have no idea what I was even trying to say. Classic

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #371: May 11, 2016, 02:26:00 PM »
Dusty's lineups seem to be done mostly on hunches. There should be a better and more objective way.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #372: May 11, 2016, 11:01:15 PM »
So...who thought Dusty was making a colossal mistake leaving Max in after the JD Martinez dinger?

It was a ballsy move to leave Scherzer in, and risk losing game to take a chance of letting one of your players tie or break a league record.  But Dusty is a player's manager, and I can't imagine any player would have complained about his decision even if the Tigers tied or won the game.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #373: May 11, 2016, 11:01:46 PM »
So...who thought Dusty was making a colossal mistake leaving Max in after the JD Martinez dinger?

It was a ballsy move to leave Scherzer in, and risk losing game to take a chance of letting one of your players tie or break a league record.  But Dusty is a player's manager, and I can't imagine any player would have complained if the Tigers tied or won the game.

Had to. I was nervous though.

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Re: Fire Dusty Baker! (2015-2016)
« Reply #374: May 11, 2016, 11:29:08 PM »
So...who thought Dusty was making a colossal mistake leaving Max in after the JD Martinez dinger?

It was a ballsy move to leave Scherzer in, and risk losing game to take a chance of letting one of your players tie or break a league record.  But Dusty is a player's manager, and I can't imagine any player would have complained about his decision even if the Tigers tied or won the game.

I was fine with leaving him in since another homer would have only tied it and what are the odds he gives up two in one inning?

I was very nervous when he left him in after another base runner got on, since now one swing can win the game and the tying run is on base so even a double can tie it, but clearly Dusty had a feel that was spot on.

Matt Williams would have pulled him after the homer and watched as Paps blew another save.