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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #125: September 18, 2015, 09:04:18 PM »
Let's see Max get bounced between starter and reliever a season long and then we can compare :roll:

Been a starter for a month now. And he didn't seem to have a problem bouncing between rotation and bullpen in 2013.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #126: September 18, 2015, 09:05:01 PM »
:rofl: comedy gold


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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #127: September 18, 2015, 09:08:07 PM »
Been a starter for a month now. And he didn't seem to have a problem bouncing between rotation and bullpen in 2013.

Max has been a starter all year and didn't have problems last year, and look at the hot mess he has become...

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #128: September 18, 2015, 09:09:00 PM »
Max has been a starter all year and didn't have problems last year, and look at the hot mess he has become...

Thank you VaRK, voice of reason right here :clap:

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #129: September 18, 2015, 09:09:05 PM »
Max has been a starter all year and didn't have problems last year, and look at the hot mess he has become...

I think you may actually be helping out Slate's point. :stir:

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #130: September 18, 2015, 09:09:37 PM »
Now, now. Calm down everyone. The team needs both Max and Tanner to be good next year.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #131: September 18, 2015, 09:10:46 PM »
Now, now. Calm down everyone. The team needs both Max and Tanner to be good next year.

You're right, Phillie fan ;)

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #132: September 18, 2015, 09:11:46 PM »
You're right, Phillie fan ;)
I usually am.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #133: September 18, 2015, 09:12:02 PM »
I think you may actually be helping out Slate's point. :stir:

Nah...Slate is used to Government waste so he thinks Max was a good deal.  Max will have a worse record than Roark did last year...at 60X the price. 

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #134: September 18, 2015, 09:13:22 PM »
Max has been a starter all year and didn't have problems last year, and look at the hot mess he has become...
Yes. Damn that sub 3 ERA, sub 3 FIP, and 5+ WAR season.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #135: September 18, 2015, 09:14:01 PM »
Nah...Slate is used to Government waste so he thinks Max was a good deal.  Max will have a worse record than Roark did last year...at 60X the price. 
Too bad Roark can't repeat what he did last year.

Don't think Max was a good deal. But in a sport with no cap on salary, who the freak cares about deals?

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #136: September 18, 2015, 09:14:24 PM »
Ichiro is pretty fast for a 65-year-old man

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #137: September 18, 2015, 09:15:09 PM »
Too bad Roark can't repeat what he did last year.



Look on the bright side, like many previous Nats, he now has a built in excuse for the rest of his career.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #138: September 18, 2015, 09:15:31 PM »
Too bad Roark can't repeat what he did last year.

Don't think Max was a good deal. But in a sport with no cap on salary, who the freak cares about deals?

You have to, there's only so much money an owner will spend and when a huge chunk of your payroll becomes allocated to older, less productive players you can go out and get the better young ones :(

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #139: September 18, 2015, 09:16:32 PM »
We don't know yet if he can repeat what he did last year.

Too bad Roark can't repeat what he did last year.

Don't think Max was a good deal. But in a sport with no cap on salary, who the freak cares about deals?

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #140: September 18, 2015, 09:16:33 PM »
Yes. Damn that sub 3 ERA, sub 3 FIP, and 5+ WAR season.

3 good outings saved his season stats.  Roark had a better ERA and a 5.1 WAR in 2014...and gave up 16 homers all year vs. 24 so far for Max...at 1/60th the price.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #141: September 18, 2015, 09:19:19 PM »
3 good outings saved his season stats. 

This is totally false.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #142: September 18, 2015, 09:19:59 PM »
Dear Lord, Rivero...

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #143: September 18, 2015, 09:20:01 PM »
Dammit why is Ichiro still so flippin fast  >:(

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #144: September 18, 2015, 09:20:07 PM »
3 good outings saved his season stats.  Roark had a better ERA and a 5.1 WAR in 2014...and gave up 16 homers all year vs. 24 so far for Max...at 1/60th the price.

3 good outings .... plus the entire first half, right?

3.47 FIP last year with a .270 BABIP and 3.4 WAR. ERA of 4.73 this year. 2014 was a fluke. He can't repeat the performance. In fact, he has regressed since he came to the big leagues in 2013. 1.51 ERA with a .243 BABIP in 2013. Up to a 2.85 ERA and .270 BABIP last year. This year, he's over 4 with a league normal BABIP of .306.

You don't pay those max money contracts for one year. You pay it for years of being consistently great.


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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #145: September 18, 2015, 09:20:24 PM »
The bullpen again.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #146: September 18, 2015, 09:20:33 PM »
Where's Drew when we need him?

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #147: September 18, 2015, 09:20:47 PM »
Great, Matt ruined Felipe too :stir:

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #148: September 18, 2015, 09:22:19 PM »
This is totally false.

His no-hitter, one hitter and another one other shutout sandwiched in between drove his ERA down to where is is.  He's a career 3.5 ERA pitcher with few complete games other than those.

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Re: Nationals vs Marlins, Game 2
« Reply #149: September 18, 2015, 09:23:42 PM »
His no-hitter, one hitter and another one other shutout sandwiched in between drove his ERA down to where is is.  He's a career 3.5 ERA pitcher with few complete games other than those.
It all counts. If you throw those out you have to throw out his three worst starts.