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Offline PC

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Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Topic Start: November 17, 2014, 12:14:34 PM »
Heyward and Walden to the Cardinals.   Braves get Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins.

Offline NJ Ave

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #1: November 17, 2014, 12:20:35 PM »
Wowwwww...that feels like a light return for the Braves.

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #2: November 17, 2014, 12:20:39 PM »
http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2014/11/braves-cardinals-trade-jason-heyward-for-shelby-miller.html

Braves, Cardinals Trade Jason Heyward For Shelby Miller
By Mark Polishuk [November 17, 2014 at 11:11am CST]

The Cardinals have acquired right fielder Jason Heyward and right-hander Jordan Walden from the Braves in exchange for righty Shelby Miller and pitching prospect Tyrell Jenkins, the teams announced.

Offline skippy1999

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #3: November 17, 2014, 12:21:53 PM »
:shock:  Quite honestly I don't think Heyward is all that great but still, I thought he was going to be a Brave for awhile. 

Offline Slateman

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #4: November 17, 2014, 12:24:12 PM »
Wowwwww...that feels like a light return for the Braves.

Heyward only has a year of control left, no?

Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #5: November 17, 2014, 12:24:16 PM »
Wowwwww...that feels like a light return for the Braves.

He's a rental, I think Nats fans should realize that's the kind of return for a rental when they think about trading Desmond or Zimmermann or Fister

Offline Ali the Baseball Cat

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #6: November 17, 2014, 12:24:49 PM »
This makes me happy...a) he's out of the division, and b) like 80% of Barves fans at Nats Park wear Heyward jerseys  :lol:

Offline NJ Ave

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #7: November 17, 2014, 12:25:02 PM »
I mean, who ARE you building around down there? A bunch of TJ arms, a closer, and a SS who can't hit?

Offline sph274

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #8: November 17, 2014, 12:26:20 PM »
I mean, who ARE you building around down there? A bunch of TJ arms, a closer, and a SS who can't hit?

Freddie Freeman is pretty good. as are teheran and alex wood

Offline NJ Ave

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #9: November 17, 2014, 12:27:05 PM »
Heyward only has a year of control left, no?

Yeah, but he'd also come with a draft pick. Oh, AND your team would be better in 2015, which is a year I assume the Braves would like to contend in?

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #10: November 17, 2014, 12:28:00 PM »
He's a rental, I think Nats fans should realize that's the kind of return for a rental when they think about trading Desmond or Zimmermann or Fister

Show me where I can trade Desmond for a Shelby Miller and I'll be there yesterday.

Offline blue911

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #11: November 17, 2014, 12:29:21 PM »
Show me where I can trade Desmond for a Shelby Miller and I'll be there yesterday.

The Cards don't think he can stay healthy

Offline Clever

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #12: November 17, 2014, 12:29:54 PM »
Noticed J. Walden was part of the trade. Now we don't have to nag about balkiness everytime we play the Barves. But doesn't it seem too fitting that the two evil squads are cutting this deal between each other?

Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #13: November 17, 2014, 12:29:55 PM »
Freddie Freeman is pretty good. as are teheran and alex wood

But assuming they let Justin Upton walk, wouldn't you take their young core 4th in the NL East?

Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #14: November 17, 2014, 12:31:23 PM »
If this is the return, I'd rather take the draft pick and being better in a year I expect to contend.

Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #15: November 17, 2014, 12:40:09 PM »
If you were trying to sign a player as good as Jason Heyward for 1 year on the open market, it would probably cost you $30 million. You add in the draft pick, it's worth something like $35-40 million....and he's being paid $8 million. It's a pretty big bet on Shelby Miller.

Offline Mr Clean

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #16: November 17, 2014, 12:46:54 PM »
So who got the better of this deal?

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #17: November 17, 2014, 12:48:00 PM »
Wow 

Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #18: November 17, 2014, 12:48:12 PM »
Let's say Shelby Miller makes like $6/9/12 million in his arbitration years. That means his actual cost for the next 4 years is $27 million or so. If you add Heyward's excess value (let's ignore Walden and the kinda-prospect), that gives a Braves valuation for Shelby Miller of $54-59 million over 4 years, as a breakeven point for this trade.

It's not outrageous, and he could definitely be worth that. But it's a pretty big bet.

There's also a non-zero chance that Heyward ends up signing an extension with the Cardinals and becoming an MVP candidate, in which case you can probably throw out "excess value" calculations and this will look awful no matter what the numbers are.

Offline NJ Ave

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« Reply #19: November 17, 2014, 12:52:23 PM »
But moreover, I don't know what you're doing as an organization when you have a guy who was the #1 prospect in baseball, and averages 5 WAR/season his first 5 seasons in the league even though he probably hasn't reached his potential with the bat yet...and he's not part of your long-term plans? HUH?

Offline HalfSmokes

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« Reply #20: November 17, 2014, 12:55:04 PM »
But moreover, I don't know what you're doing as an organization when you have a guy who was the #1 prospect in baseball, and averages 5 WAR/season his first 5 seasons in the league even though he probably hasn't reached his potential with the bat yet...and he's not part of your long-term plans? HUH?

if you can't sign him to an extension, then the plan goes out the window.

Offline varoadking

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #21: November 17, 2014, 12:55:55 PM »
But moreover, I don't know what you're doing as an organization when you have a guy who was the #1 prospect in baseball, and averages 5 WAR/season his first 5 seasons in the league even though he probably hasn't reached his potential with the bat yet...and he's not part of your long-term plans? HUH?

 :money:

Offline houston-nat

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #22: November 17, 2014, 01:08:35 PM »
But moreover, I don't know what you're doing as an organization when you have a guy who was the #1 prospect in baseball, and averages 5 WAR/season his first 5 seasons in the league even though he probably hasn't reached his potential with the bat yet...and he's not part of your long-term plans? HUH?
Sounds like you're not a fan of the Trade Harper brigade on this forum.

Offline HalfSmokes

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #23: November 17, 2014, 01:20:15 PM »
Sounds like you're not a fan of the Trade Harper brigade on this forum.

Harper averages 5 WAR a season? :shock:

Offline Ray D

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Re: Braves trade Heyward to Cardinals
« Reply #24: November 17, 2014, 01:38:35 PM »
It boggles my mind.   Braves have two malcontent, useless outfielders and one good one. So they unload the good one.