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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #75: October 08, 2014, 09:03:49 PM »
Hyperbole. But I don't think there's an icon for that.

Sure there is: :blah:

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« Reply #76: October 08, 2014, 10:16:40 PM »
the way he was wrong was atrocious- you have an official at first for a reason

Definitely.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #77: October 08, 2014, 10:18:11 PM »
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Sure there is:
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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #78: October 09, 2014, 09:42:11 AM »
Occasional mechanical failure vs everyday human failure?  Seems like a solid trade to me.

I know I suggested this several years ago, but why not have the machines/sensor arrays reading the balls and strikes and the umps have a redlight/greenlight HUD inside their masks.  Everything looks the same outwardly, keeps the "human" element, but we have a MUCH higher degree of accuracy and consistency on balls/strikes, and even less reason for players/coaches to argue them, which leads to fewer delays and shorter games.

Make it happen Trashcan Dino!

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #80: October 09, 2014, 12:25:02 PM »
Occasional mechanical failure vs everyday human failure?  Seems like a solid trade to me.

I know I suggested this several years ago, but why not have the machines/sensor arrays reading the balls and strikes and the umps have a redlight/greenlight HUD inside their masks.  Everything looks the same outwardly, keeps the "human" element, but we have a MUCH higher degree of accuracy and consistency on balls/strikes, and even less reason for players/coaches to argue them, which leads to fewer delays and shorter games.

Yep, I suggested something that beeps in their ears but can still keep the dummies on the field for appearance. It works on so many levels so it's just a matter of time.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #81: October 09, 2014, 01:05:43 PM »
It works on so many levels so it's just a matter of time.
I'm sure the MLBPA and Umpire's Union can't wait to hear your recommendations.

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« Reply #82: October 09, 2014, 01:13:44 PM »
I'm sure the MLBPA and Umpire's Union can't wait to hear your recommendations.

That was the argument against instant replay too but once the credibility of the sport comes into play they will see the light. I'm waiting for a Denkinger moment in the WS when an umpire makes a really bad strike call that costs a team the world championship.

And I will be at the ready when they come calling for my input. :thumbs:

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #83: October 09, 2014, 01:27:14 PM »

And I will be at the ready when they come calling for my input. :thumbs:

I'd hold your breath!

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« Reply #84: October 09, 2014, 02:22:08 PM »
I'm sure the MLBPA and Umpire's Union can't wait to hear your recommendations.

A Union has one job, to protect the best interest of its members.

Pitch Trax makes home plate umpires look incompetent. It's in their best interest to automate balls and strikes.

Homeplate umpires would still have a job, just for different reasons.

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« Reply #85: October 09, 2014, 02:24:06 PM »
A Union has one job, to protect the best interest of its members.

Pitch Trax makes home plate umpires look like incompetent. It's in their best interest to automate balls and strikes.

Homeplate umpires would still have a job, just for different reasons.



it's not in their best interest to automate away their jobs

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #86: October 09, 2014, 02:25:16 PM »
it's not in their best interest to automate away their jobs

They would still have jobs

Homeplate umpires do more than just call balls and strikes

I actually think it will end up being done the way TrashCan Dino was talking about - a sensor in the mask only the umpire sees. So technically he's still calling balls and strikes, it's simply the location that's automated - everything else a home plate ump does stays the same. :shrug:

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #87: October 09, 2014, 03:02:57 PM »
it's not in their best interest to automate away their jobs

It's in their best interests to make working conditions bearable for their union members. As their shortcoming get increasingly exposed by modern technology, their jobs will be become unbearable. Like with so many other aspects of life nowadays, they can embrace change or become overtaken by it.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #88: October 09, 2014, 03:42:43 PM »
A Union has one job, to protect the best interest of its members.

Pitch Trax makes home plate umpires look incompetent. It's in their best interest to automate balls and strikes.

Homeplate umpires would still have a job, just for different reasons.

It's also been shown that Pitch Trax is UNRELIABLE in evaluating and the technology is imperfect.  So it does not make umpires look incompetent.  It makes the people looking for absolution in an imperfect system look incompetent.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #89: October 09, 2014, 04:05:31 PM »

It's also been shown that Pitch Trax is UNRELIABLE in evaluating and the technology is imperfect.  So it does not make umpires look incompetent.  It makes the people looking for absolution in an imperfect system look incompetent.


Yeah, but that's what's out there. That's what people see. Every pitch, every day. Perception is reality.

When center cut fastballs are called balls - people just don't care what the technicalities are ...

But we agree - whatever umps are replaced with has to be discernibly better than what they're doing now -



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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #90: October 09, 2014, 04:29:13 PM »

Yeah, but that's what's out there. That's what people see. Every pitch, every day. Perception is reality.

When center cut fastballs are called balls - people just don't care what the technicalities are ...

But we agree - whatever umps are replaced with has to be discernibly better than what they're doing now -


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This. Been saying that for about a dozen posts now.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #91: October 09, 2014, 11:54:38 PM »
whatever umps are replaced with has to be discernibly better than what they're doing now -

The numbers don't bear that assertion out, though.

I'm all for replacing umpires IF a better system exists.  Right now, it doesn't.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #92: October 10, 2014, 12:02:54 AM »
I'd hold your breath!

You may have to wait in line...

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #94: October 10, 2014, 08:46:50 AM »
Joe West is the worst.

http://www.businessweek.com/graphics/baseballs-worst-call-of-the-day/#/umpires/ranking/2014

Maybe those #'s are right but I find it hard to believe that umpires, the best ones, are sitting at 87% accurate. 

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #95: October 10, 2014, 09:14:06 AM »

I'm all for replacing umpires IF a better system exists.  Right now, it doesn't.

I think we all agree on that. I'd like to think we would also agree that they could develop such a system if they wanted to. The only question is when, in my mind.

To me, the technology is not the issue. It's the players and umps unions, the static mindset of fans, the fear of change, and unknown impacts on hitting and scoring. I'm surprised no one has put those arguments forward, though MDS did surface the unions as a possible obstacle.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #96: October 10, 2014, 09:16:09 AM »
Maybe those #'s are right but I find it hard to believe that umpires, the best ones, are sitting at 87% accurate. 

Those numbers, if accurate, are shocking to me. The drumbeat to replace the incompetent humans will continue to get louder.

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #97: October 10, 2014, 09:16:39 AM »
You may have to wait in line...

I can pass out numbers like the bakery, if you like. :hysterical:

And then when your number comes up, you will get the service you deserve. :twisted:

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #98: October 10, 2014, 12:35:01 PM »
Maybe those #'s are right but I find it hard to believe that umpires, the best ones, are sitting at 87% accurate. 

how many calls are really obvious- swinging miss, ball in the dirt? Throw in the ones they shouldn't miss- balls across the middle of the plate or outside by a few inches, and I think you have the majority of a game. I'd be interested to see if anyone looks at their percentages on balls within 1 inch of the zone- my guess is that it would be a tossup 

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Re: Fire the Umps
« Reply #99: October 10, 2014, 02:29:45 PM »
how many calls are really obvious- swinging miss, ball in the dirt? Throw in the ones they shouldn't miss- balls across the middle of the plate or outside by a few inches, and I think you have the majority of a game. I'd be interested to see if anyone looks at their percentages on balls within 1 inch of the zone- my guess is that it would be a tossup 
If you look at Brooks baseball and look at the strike zone maps - that's pretty much what you see. Down the middle always a strike. Away from the zone, always a ball. And in between, it's a mix.