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Offline whytev

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Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Topic Start: August 25, 2014, 09:35:35 PM »
Okay, this discussion is too valuable for a GDT.  You guys pooh-poohed my rotation thread and then started your own, so we're on.

September Callups:

Probably Treinen, Cedeño, and Barrett.

Current guys:

Storen - Locked in.  No danger of losing his job.  Potentially can replace Soriano if Soriano's wheels come off.

Clippard - Locked in.  Setup man for life.  Potentially can replace Soriano as well.

Soriano - At least gets the chance to close in the postseason.

Stammen - He has his role.  You hope you won't need him.  He has a win his last two times out.  If it goes to 15 innings, he's the guy I want going in last.

Thornton - Great acquisition.  Exceeding what we were hoping for.

Detweiler - Seems to have figured out how to be in the bullpen.  Lefty specialist or extra innings only.  Safe enough.

Blevins - Thornton may have taken his job.  Three lefties are better than two, so Cedeño could threaten in September.  Barrett and Treinen could shine as well.  This is the guy who is vulnerable.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #1: August 25, 2014, 09:48:52 PM »
Cedeno and Blevins are the same. LOOGYs.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #2: August 26, 2014, 09:56:38 AM »
One question will be whether they go with 7 or 8 guys in the pen.  It is possible that the odd man out starter is not even in the pen and they go with 14 position players, 7 relievers, and 4 starters. 

I think 4 righties are locks - Soriano, Clippard, Storen, and Stammen.  Thornton is also a lock, which puts you up to 5 spots in the pen.  That leaves you two out of 3 (or 4) lefties among Detwiler, Blevins, plus Gio if he is not in the rotation, and possibly Cedeno if he either supplants Blevins (assuming Gio is in the rotation or is off the roster) or Detwiler (if Gio is in the pen as a long guy and they carry an 8th reliever). 

If Strasburg is not in the rotation, I think the prudent move might be to put him in the pen as the 5th righty.  Let's you use Stammen more aggressively.  In that case, I think there is a good chance of an 8 man pen, with 3 lefties, but they could also decide just one of Det / Blevins / Cedeno is on the roster.

I prefer a 14th position player, especially if RZ is available for the playoffs.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #3: August 26, 2014, 10:28:06 AM »
I generally agree with JCA, but I just can't see Strasburg adapting to coming out of the bullpen based on his first inning issues and his maturity level.  I don't think he can make the mental adjustment as it's proven difficult for far more experienced pitchers. Although Detwiler did a magnificent job in Game 4 in 2012 despite his bullpen struggles this year.  I think Gio or Roark would handle the move better, but right now I'd trust them over Strasburg to start in the playoffs, especially on the road.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #4: August 26, 2014, 11:40:28 AM »
Gio is the only pitcher that I don't want to see in the post season rotation. I still cling to the notion that Strasburg is good at home with the occasional hiccup

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #5: August 26, 2014, 11:51:24 AM »
Cedeno and Blevins are the same. LOOGYs.

I believe that if Blevins is under contract for 2015 than that will determine his post - season roster spot.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #6: August 26, 2014, 12:00:20 PM »
I generally agree with JCA, but I just can't see Strasburg adapting to coming out of the bullpen based on his first inning issues and his maturity level.  I don't think he can make the mental adjustment as it's proven difficult for far more experienced pitchers. Although Detwiler did a magnificent job in Game 4 in 2012 despite his bullpen struggles this year.  I think Gio or Roark would handle the move better, but right now I'd trust them over Strasburg to start in the playoffs, especially on the road.
Displaced Bucco - I would see Strasburg probably as a long guy starting innings if he were in the bullpen.   He did close for SD State I think his freshman year, but that was a while back.  Also, I think they would want him active if Gio or Roark spit the bit their first starts in the series; they might go to the "5th" starter if the series went that far rather than bring back a guy who did poorly in those cases.

Also, by "prudent" I mean it would avoid the controversy of not having him active, the junk the other players would have to deal with, and the backbiting you'd get if you did not win.  No repeat of the shutdown and post shutdown controversy.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #7: August 26, 2014, 12:04:00 PM »
Holy crap

Strasburg is not going to the bullpen for the postseason

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #8: August 26, 2014, 12:26:19 PM »
Holy crap

Strasburg is not going to the bullpen for the postseason

He really isn't.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #9: August 26, 2014, 12:32:17 PM »
Except he might.

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I hope they move him to the bullpen and blame it on his lack of playoff experience.

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Stras in the pen just won't happen given the way they carefully handled him the past. Can you imagine the blowback if he got injured.

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Stras in the pen just won't happen given the way they carefully handled him the past. Can you imagine the blowback if he got injured.

can you imagine the blowback if they used that excuse to move Roark to the pen because the precious flower can't handle it?

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can you imagine the blowback if they used that excuse to move Roark to the pen because the precious flower can't handle it?
More likely they will say Roark is near the end of his innings after a big jump from last year and that his experience in the pen makes him a better option.  Not that I believe it, but that will be the line.

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More likely they will say Roark is near the end of his innings after a big jump from last year and that his experience in the pen makes him a better option.  Not that I believe it, but that will be the line.

we all know this is what is coming down the pike, let's not kid ourselves
Fister, JZ, Stras, Gio, and likely not even that order, though that's the correct order
I hope whatever order they use, regardless of whatever BS reasons they use for it, Stras pitches primarily at home

Roark to the pen will be interesting, in that seeing whom it displaces will make someone's off season awkward. Can you imagine trying to trade Det, if we didn't even put him on the bus for the playoffs? We would be throwing up a billboard regarding his value.
Sorry Anus
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Storen
Roark
and you would have to think Stammen the way MW talks about him
you got room for two more, unless you roll with a short bench
we didn't luck into the Thornton waiver claim to leave him off the bus.
now you have one spot left.
Det or Blevins?
To keep both of them you'd have to shorten the bench
Espi will be there, you have to have Lobaton, Sheirholtz' handedness gives him a spot
are Hairston and Frandsen redundant? maybe with Kevin being the more versatile
so you have to pick two of Hairston, Det and Blevins.
if RZ is back, a current everyday guy goes to the bench, Hairston is out, and you still one get one of Blevins or Det
These are good problems to have, but its something that will have to be handled well for both post season success and offseason success.
I'm not trying to be over the top with this, I'm not saying that Det or Blevin's FEELINGS makes or breaks our 14-15 offseason, but if we try to move one of those two pieces, we are messing with their value a bit.
I think you have to do the move that you think will actually make for the best result on the field, right now. No other way to play it.
There is still room to debate what that is - Det or Blevins

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can you imagine the blowback if they used that excuse to move Roark to the pen because the precious flower can't handle it?

They won't declare it publicly, of course.
More likely they will say Roark is near the end of his innings after a big jump from last year and that his experience in the pen makes him a better option.  Not that I believe it, but that will be the line.

This is the more likely public stance.

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I would take Det over Blevins..


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we all know this is what is coming down the pike, let's not kid ourselves
Fister, JZ, Stras, Gio, and likely not even that order, though that's the correct order
I hope whatever order they use, regardless of whatever BS reasons they use for it, Stras pitches primarily at home

Roark to the pen will be interesting, in that seeing whom it displaces will make someone's off season awkward. Can you imagine trying to trade Det, if we didn't even put him on the bus for the playoffs? We would be throwing up a billboard regarding his value.
Sorry Anus
Clip
Storen
Roark
and you would have to think Stammen the way MW talks about him
you got room for two more, unless you roll with a short bench
we didn't luck into the Thornton waiver claim to leave him off the bus.
now you have one spot left.
Det or Blevins?
To keep both of them you'd have to shorten the bench
Espi will be there, you have to have Lobaton, Sheirholtz' handedness gives him a spot
are Hairston and Frandsen redundant? maybe with Kevin being the more versatile
so you have to pick two of Hairston, Det and Blevins.
if RZ is back, a current everyday guy goes to the bench, Hairston is out, and you still one get one of Blevins or Det
These are good problems to have, but its something that will have to be handled well for both post season success and offseason success.
I'm not trying to be over the top with this, I'm not saying that Det or Blevin's FEELINGS makes or breaks our 14-15 offseason, but if we try to move one of those two pieces, we are messing with their value a bit.
I think you have to do the move that you think will actually make for the best result on the field, right now. No other way to play it.
There is still room to debate what that is - Det or Blevins

They'll go extra pitcher, not extra position player. Same lineup, one less starter, one more reliever.

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I would take Det over Blevins..

Any day of the week.

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I would take Det over Blevins..



Is Blevins signed for 2015?

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Is Blevins signed for 2015?

Yeah, I think he's in arbitration for 1 more year, and a Nats property.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #21: September 01, 2014, 05:58:27 PM »
Yeah, I think he's in arbitration for 1 more year, and a Nats property.

I think he doesn't make the roster and possibly Det. Roark to the pen. Barrett and Cedeno to replace them.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #22: September 01, 2014, 06:51:53 PM »
Detwiler should be left off the post season pitching staff. I don't really trust him. One of the two between Roark and Gio will be moved to the 'pen anyways, and as far as lefties go we have Thornton, Blevins, and possibly Cedeno(I'd be fine with just Thornton and Blevins though).

Rest of the righty relievers are fine, although Soriano is going to cause a lot of heart rates to rise in D.C. come October.

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #23: September 01, 2014, 08:05:13 PM »
What about Aaron Barrett?

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Re: Deep Right Field: A Post-Season Bullpen Thread
« Reply #24: September 01, 2014, 08:18:03 PM »
What about Aaron Barrett?
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