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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #100: August 24, 2013, 10:29:53 PM »
I understand...but was clarifying that it is plate appearances...not at bats...
Yes, missed the emphasis.  3.1 x PAs.  NJats have played 129, so 400 PAs to qualify. Werth has 394.  If he gets 4 PAs a game, he'll be close in 6 games.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #101: August 25, 2013, 12:05:26 AM »
Yes, missed the emphasis.  3.1 x PAs.  NJats have played 129, so 400 PAs to qualify. Werth has 394.  If he gets 4 PAs a game, he'll be close in 6 games.

Be great to see him in this race...he's been our one offensive constant, it seems...

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #102: August 25, 2013, 03:36:19 AM »
Would be the first Washington player to win the batting title since Mickey Vernon in 1953. That's an accomplishment!

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #103: August 25, 2013, 05:43:22 AM »
3.1 seems awfully high, given walks, sacrifices, and missed games.  Or is there some flexibility to the 162 part ?

162 X 3.1 = 502.2, so as the season goes on, to be "qualified" for the batting title, MLB multiplies a team's games by 3.1 to see if a player is qualified.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #104: August 25, 2013, 08:07:46 AM »
3.1 seems awfully high, given walks, sacrifices, and missed games.  Or is there some flexibility to the 162 part ?

It's not that high for a regular player...I think Rollins had nearly 800 one year.

If you fall short, you add an out for each remaining plate appearance.  If you still have the best average...you win.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #105: August 25, 2013, 06:13:51 PM »
walks and sacrifice flies and I think HBPs count as plate appearance.  Sacrifice bunts do not. 

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #106: August 25, 2013, 09:09:24 PM »
Sorry JCA - that's not true

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_bat

In baseball, an at bat (AB) or time at bat is used to calculate certain statistics, including batting average, on base percentage, and slugging percentage. It is a more restricted definition of a plate appearance. A batter starts with an at bat every time he faces a pitcher; however, the batter doesn't get an "at bat" in the following circumstances:
He receives a base on balls (BB).[1]
He is hit by a pitch (HBP).
He hits a sacrifice fly or a sacrifice hit (also known as sacrifice bunt).
He is awarded first base due to interference or obstruction, usually by the catcher.
The inning ends while he is still at bat (due to the third out being made by a runner caught stealing, for example). In this case, the batter will come to bat again in the next inning, though he now has no balls or strikes on him.
He is replaced by another hitter before his at bat is completed (unless he is replaced with two strikes and his replacement completes a strikeout).



walks and sacrifice flies and I think HBPs count as plate appearance.  Sacrifice bunts do not. 

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #107: August 25, 2013, 09:10:49 PM »
There's a difference between "at bats" and "plate appearances". JCA is mostly correct. Sacrifice bunts do count as PA's.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #108: August 25, 2013, 09:25:17 PM »
Every time a player steps up to the plate and the play ends with him being on base or out, it counts as a plate appearance.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #109: August 26, 2013, 01:57:41 AM »
But if he steps up to the plate, isn't he at bat?

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #110: August 26, 2013, 01:58:44 AM »
Werth it.


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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #111: August 26, 2013, 02:08:23 AM »
But if he steps up to the plate, isn't he at bat?

If a baserunner is tagged out trying to steal for the third out of an inning, the player batting does not have a plate appearance counted. 

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #112: August 26, 2013, 08:45:53 AM »
Interesting.  I did not realize that the divisor for OBP is not plate appearances.  It's not ABs, either.  It is PAs with adjustments.
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The main use of the plate appearance statistic is in determining a player's eligibility for leadership in some offensive statistical categories, notably batting average; currently, a player must have 3.1 PAs per game scheduled to qualify for the batting title (for the 162-game schedule, that means 502 PAs).[1] Also, it is often erroneously cited that total plate appearances is the divisor (i.e., denominator) used in calculating on base percentage (OBP), an alternative measurement of a player's offensive performance; in reality, the OBP denominator does not include certain PAs, such as times reached via either catcher’s interference or fielder’s obstruction or Sacrifice Hits (Sacrifice Flies are included).

What PC says is more or less the rule.  Generally, every time a player appears at the plate and isierther put out or becomes aa runner.  There are a few quirks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_appearance

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #113: August 26, 2013, 08:46:22 AM »
walks and sacrifice flies and I think HBPs count as plate appearance.  Sacrifice bunts do not.

That's only when using PA as the denominator for other stats.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #114: August 26, 2013, 08:49:59 AM »
Yes, Blue.  I'm used to the sloppy short hand of times on base  over  PAs = OBP. 

I see catcher's interference counts as a PA but does not count in OBP.  I guess it just goes down as a gift from a catcher.  I hope you got some thank you notes when you were clubbed.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #115: August 29, 2013, 10:45:06 AM »
What are you - a math geek ?

Jayson came through again last night - he seems to be the catalyst for the improvement in Nats bats, setting an example over the past 2 months

That's only when using PA as the denominator for other stats.


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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #116: August 30, 2013, 12:40:33 AM »
Give this man the MVP if the Nationals do the (highly) impossible.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #117: August 30, 2013, 08:42:27 AM »
But if he steps up to the plate, isn't he at bat?

"At bat" is one of the biggest misnomers in  baseball.  A guy works the count, fouls off ten pitches, then finally draws a walk. What's the first thing the first base coach says to him:  "Great at bat".

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #118: August 30, 2013, 08:47:25 AM »
Post game remarks were pretty awesome last night

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #119: September 01, 2013, 11:09:59 PM »
So Werth it

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #120: September 01, 2013, 11:19:28 PM »
:w: ERTH IT

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #121: September 01, 2013, 11:24:19 PM »
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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #123: September 01, 2013, 11:33:03 PM »
I hope 2011 and 2012 were anomalies, because this year he's been unbelievable.

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Re: Jayson Werth Appreciation Thread
« Reply #124: September 02, 2013, 06:41:45 AM »
Post game remarks were pretty awesome last night

The guy is such a jerk off, no one else I'd rather see come to bat when the game is on the line, but I just can't stand him being on the team, he's hard to root for.