Author Topic: It's over for Drew Storen -- Or is it? (Read 41398 times)

madj55 · « **Reply #175:** May 25, 2013, 09:50:01 PM »

Storen has really bad luck. However, he's the reason for his bad luck. You can't walk guys late in games...you just can't. It doesn't matter that he threw a perfect pitch that Delmon Young got lucky on. If Storen doesn't walk him it's a completely different inning. And then Drew decides to leave one right down the dick for Domonic Brown who really can't hit. Drew needs to get it together in the 7th inning, can't use him in the 8th anymore.

Slateman · « **Reply #176:** May 25, 2013, 10:02:35 PM »

Its not bad luck. It's bad pitching.

madj55 · « **Reply #177:** May 25, 2013, 10:33:53 PM »

I said his bad pitching led to the bad luck.

WerthHisWeight · « **Reply #178:** May 25, 2013, 10:35:29 PM »

Storen is definitely done. You can see it in his body language. Can't handle the adversity.

pazzo83 · « **Reply #179:** May 25, 2013, 10:36:50 PM »

He needs to go to a mop-up role for a while.

Cinqo de Mayo · « **Reply #180:** May 25, 2013, 10:46:22 PM »

Storen will be haunted by game five as long as he wears a Nats uniform.

jhuterp · « **Reply #181:** May 25, 2013, 10:55:28 PM »

Storen's done...I really thought he would show the toughness to come back from Game 5, but it's not happening....

PC · « **Reply #182:** May 26, 2013, 12:00:26 AM »

James Wagner ‏@JamesWagnerWP 42m

Drew Storen: "Just giving up too many hits. Can't do that late in the game."

mmzznnxx · « **Reply #183:** May 26, 2013, 12:22:38 AM »

If Drew Storen, who can't seem to give up a scoreless inning, faced the Nationals, who can't seem to score off any pitchers other than starting pitchers, would:

A) The Nats score runs off Storen,
B) Storen shut down the Nats, or
C) Equal but opposite suckitude cause a singularity that would suck us all in and destroy everything we know and love

?

wpa2629 · « **Reply #184:** May 26, 2013, 12:27:49 AM »

All of the above

Chaos and panic ensues

Sniper 1 · « **Reply #185:** May 26, 2013, 07:57:24 AM »

If Storen isn't seeing a psychologist, he should be. He has he talent to get major leaguers out but obviously his mind isn't right. Batters go into slumps all of the time. It's rare to see a pitcher do it but it isn't unheard of.

monkeyhit · « **Reply #186:** May 26, 2013, 08:16:45 AM »

Future tv "analyst" posing as a pitcher.

dab222 · « **Reply #187:** May 26, 2013, 09:13:13 AM »

At least he cut his hair, lol he looked like a complete bum

JCA-CrystalCity · « **Reply #188:** May 26, 2013, 09:49:06 PM »

The team seems aware of his problems right now and has shifted him back from a set up role to flip flopping with Clippard to coming in when behind or tied. Both Stammen and Clippard now are ahead of him in terms of gravity of the roles.

tomterp · « **Reply #189:** May 26, 2013, 10:07:03 PM »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on May 25, 2013, 09:45:10 PM

5.30 ERA. WHIP approaching 2.00

He's corrupted forever. Sorry sack of freaking garbage.

This passes for analysis from you.

So what's the issue with Drew? What I mean is, can anybody say WHY he's not getting it done? I don't mean some physcobabble crap like most of what I'm reading here, but some real insight. Velocity down? Nibbling too much? Not nibbling enough? How about some data, not just profane histrionics. Anybody? Or am I asking too much here.

Slateman · « **Reply #190:** May 26, 2013, 10:12:14 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on May 26, 2013, 10:07:03 PM

This passes for analysis from you.

So what's the issue with Drew? What I mean is, can anybody say WHY he's not getting it done? I don't mean some physcobabble crap like most of what I'm reading here, but some real insight. Velocity down? Nibbling too much? Not nibbling enough? How about some data, not just profane histrionics. Anybody? Or am I asking too much here.

Analysis: He keeps giving up runs when the game is close.

tomterp · « **Reply #191:** May 26, 2013, 10:39:50 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on May 26, 2013, 10:12:14 PM

Analysis: He keeps giving up runs when the game is close.

Brilliant.

Slateman · « **Reply #192:** May 26, 2013, 10:45:30 PM »

Look, tom, it is what it is. He can't be trusted. So either he's hiding an injury or he's freaked in the head.

tomterp · « **Reply #193:** May 26, 2013, 10:48:18 PM »

Quote from: Slateman on May 26, 2013, 10:45:30 PM

Look, tom, it is what it is. He can't be trusted. So either he's hiding an injury or he's freaked in the head.

I expected a bit more from you. Some of the rest of the parrots, not so much. Not even so much as a BABIP theory? Line drive rate? Strike %? Nothing?

varoadking · « **Reply #194:** May 26, 2013, 10:53:45 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on May 26, 2013, 10:48:18 PM

I expected a bit more from you. Some of the rest of the parrots, not so much. Not even so much as a BABIP theory? Line drive rate? Strike %? Nothing?

So...what's your theory?

Slateman · « **Reply #195:** May 26, 2013, 11:13:30 PM »

Quote from: tomterp on May 26, 2013, 10:48:18 PM

I expected a bit more from you. Some of the rest of the parrots, not so much. Not even so much as a BABIP theory? Line drive rate? Strike %? Nothing?

There isn't one. He walks people, gives up too many hits, throws batting practice, and, in general, cannot get the outs his team needs in close games.

80% of this game is mental. The other half is physical.

HalfSmokes · « **Reply #196:** May 26, 2013, 11:15:13 PM »

According to fangraphs his k/9 is better this year than last, and his bb/9 is the same, but his home run rate and babip are much higher (not surprisingly, his FB rate is way up and his ground and line drive rares are down) . To me that's no different than saying he's having a bad year, it happens

sportsfan882 · « **Reply #197:** May 26, 2013, 11:39:31 PM »

The results speak for themselves. He hasn't been unlucky. He's pitched poorly and the results bare that out.

A new troubling sign is the walks his last two outings that ended up killing us. He's been extremely hittable and now walks to boot.

spidernat · « **Reply #198:** May 27, 2013, 12:00:08 AM »

Quote from: sportsfan882 on May 26, 2013, 11:39:31 PM

The results speak for themselves. He hasn't been unlucky. He's pitched poorly and the results bare that out.

A new troubling sign is the walks his last two outings that ended up killing us. He's been extremely hittable and now walks to boot.

Exactly.

nobleisthyname · « **Reply #199:** May 27, 2013, 12:02:01 AM »

Quote from: HalfSmokes on May 26, 2013, 11:15:13 PM

According to fangraphs his k/9 is better this year than last, and his bb/9 is the same, but his home run rate and babip are much higher (not surprisingly, his FB rate is way up and his ground and line drive rares are down) . To me that's no different than saying he's having a bad year, it happens

This. If you look at the numbers everything points to him being unlucky. People here don't like that answer obviously and who knows, maybe it's all in his head still.

But the stuff that a pitcher has control over he's done well in and the stuff a pitcher doesn't control he's done poorly in. That USUALLY (read: not always) points to bad luck. This problem can be exacerbated with relief pitchers because they take so long to get a decent sample size. Storen has pitched 19 innings so far this season. That's roughly equivalent to three starts. Strasburg with a 2.49 ERA has had at least three bad starts this season, arguably more. I don't think anyone would say Strasburg will never be able to pitch again based on his numbers this season.