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Offline mitlen

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #500: February 19, 2013, 08:44:58 PM »
Yippee-ki-oh-ki-yippie-ki-yay

According to two sources familiar with Bosch's operation, however, the Washington Nationals' Gio Gonzalez, previously identified as being named in Biogenesis documents, did not receive banned substances from Bosch or the clinic.



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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #501: February 19, 2013, 08:45:54 PM »
Cool. No wonder he pulled out of the WBC.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #502: February 19, 2013, 08:52:23 PM »
Congrats!! :clap:

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #503: February 19, 2013, 08:56:26 PM »
Great news, next step is for him to get a new agent, a new trainer, and send his family to legitimate medical clinics so that he's not surrounding himself with users, dealers, and enablers.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #504: February 19, 2013, 08:59:48 PM »
NO!

http://espn.go.com/espn/print?id=8963926&type=story

ESPN.com: OTL  [Print without images]

Tuesday, February 19, 2013
Sources: Docs link 5 players to clinic

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By Mike Fish and T.J. Quinn
ESPN.com

MIAMI -- Five more professional baseball players have connections to a South Florida clinic at the heart of a widening doping scandal, according to documents obtained by "Outside the Lines."

The new players listed in documents from the Biogenesis of America clinic run by Anthony Bosch: San Diego Padres shortstop Everth Cabrera, 26, the reigning National League stolen base champion; Jordan Norberto, 26, a lefty reliever with the Oakland A's; Fernando Martinez, 24, a Houston Astros outfielder; Fautino De Los Santos, 27, a reliever claimed off waivers by the Padres, and Cesar Puello, 21, a top Mets outfield prospect.

Sources said the players, like those who have been named in previous Biogenesis documents, were on a list as having received performance-enhancing drugs, although the documents are not proof that the players either received or used PEDs.

According to two sources familiar with Bosch's operation, however, the Washington Nationals' Gio Gonzalez, previously identified as being named in Biogenesis documents, did not receive banned substances from Bosch or the clinic.

 
Two unidentified men last fall leave Biogenesis of America in Coral Gables, Fla., a clinic under investigation by Major League Baseball.

Both sources, speaking independently, identified Gonzalez as the only Bosch client named thus far who did not receive performance-enhancing drugs. A document obtained by "Outside the Lines" bolsters their case: On a computer printout of clients, Gonzalez, identified by the code name "Gladiator," is said to have received $1,000 worth of substances, but under "notes" are several substances not banned by Major League Baseball: "gluthetyn" (which a source said was a misspelling of glutathione), "IM [intramuscular] shots," and amino acids.

Glutathione is an anti-oxidant, and one source said the "IM shots" Gonzalez received were "MICs," a medically dubious but legal combination of methionine, inositol and choline, often used for weight loss.

At least 25 players, either by name or nickname, are identified in the Biogenesis documents. Sources have indicated the number of MLB players who dealt with Bosch over the years could be significantly higher.

Two of the five new named players, Puello, De Los Santos and Martinez, are clients of ACES, the sports agency owned by brothers Seth and Sam Levinson. The other two, Cabrera and Norberto, are former ACES clients. All told, 10 players identified as Biogenesis clients have ties to ACES, and most have been connected by sources or documents as having worked with Juan Carlos Nunez, who worked for ACES as a liaison to players. Seth and Sam Levinson have said they had no knowledge of Nunez' extensive work with Biogenesis, and said he was temporarily employed by them as a contractor.

Seth Levinson declined comment Tuesday on the new documents and the players named, but issued a statement denying the agency's knowledge:

"Other than those players who have previously tested positive, we have seen no evidence to conclude that any of the players mentioned recently in the media were involved with performance enhancing drugs.

"As we've stated unequivocally before: anyone who knows us knows that it is absolutely ridiculous to think that we would ever condone the use of performance-enhancing drugs. We have represented many hundreds of players over 25 years, and our track record makes it perfectly clear that we do things the right way. Neither Sam nor I or anyone else at ACES have ever met or even heard of Anthony Bosch until the recent news stories nor does anyone have any knowledge of or connection to Biogenesis.

"Moreover, Juan Nunez ceased doing work on behalf of the agency as soon as we learned of his wrongdoing in the Melky Cabrera matter. The MLBPA's investigation into that matter found that we had no involvement in or knowledge of any wrongdoing. Similarly, in this case, we are not involved and do not have any knowledge as to what took place or who was involved.

"We don't think it is responsible to speculate further given the complete lack of evidence."

 
Bosch

Scott Boras, agent for Everth Cabrera, said Tuesday: "We can't comment until we do due diligence on this, as he's been a client of ours as of November."

Barry Praver of Praver Shapiro Sports Management said his firm has only represented Norberto since the end of last season and had no comment. Attempts to obtain a comment from the San Diego Padres were unsuccessful.

The new records also provide additional reference to players previously mentioned in media reports as being listed in Biogenesis paperwork, including Melky Cabrera, Alex Rodriguez, Nelson Cruz, Francisco Cervelli, Ryan Braun and Yasmani Grandal. Each has denied receiving PEDs, but Braun said he used Bosch as a consultant last year. Cervelli said he consulted Bosch last year when he was injured.

Topping the newest players identified in Biogenesis records is Everth Cabrera, no relation to Melky. Everth is a native of Nicaragua and split time between Triple-A and San Diego after first appearing on the big-league roster in 2009. He dazzled on the base paths upon being called up last May as he stole 44 bases in 48 attempts. He signed a one-year, $1.3 million contract entering this season.

MLB has been investigating the connection between ACES and Biogenesis since last summer when Melky Cabrera tested positive for elevated levels of testosterone. Cabrera, with the apparent help Nunez, attempted to avoid a 50-game suspension by creating a phony website for a supplement he claimed had inadvertently cause his positive test.

Sources have told "Outside the Lines'' that Nunez has also assisted Bosch in his clinic's dealings with Latin players. The name "Juan'' is referenced in Bosch's hand written notes as a player contact, with notations next to player names such as "Waiting to hear from Juan Re: delivery'' or in apparent reference to player fees "Juan (How much)??''

Nunez has not responded to multiple attempts for comment.

More from ESPN.com
Anthony Bosch's past includes a tangle of ties and titles in which he befriended players while tapping the expertise of hormone-therapy doctors, write Mike Fish and T.J. Quinn. Story


One of the documents obtained by "Outside the Lines'' lists players by name, with a fee, the abbreviation for Florida or Arizona, and often a month alongside -- presumably in 2012. Everth Cabrera is listed with $1,500 in March; Puello $1,000; De Los Santos $700 in March; Martinez $2,000 in both February and March; and Norberto $2,000 a month.

Some of the game's millionaire marquee stars are listed right alongside the journeymen and minor leaguers. In front of Alex Rodriguez' name is the abbreviation for Florida, followed by amounts of $4,000 and $3,000. A-Rod is listed elsewhere with $4,500 written next to his name. He is also identified as "Caciques," a clinic nickname given by Bosch, in another 2012 handwritten note that makes reference to text him about fees. On the computer printout, an entry next to "Caciques" says $7,500, and indicates that the fee was paid.

MLB officials have been investigating Bosch and his connections to major league players since his name was brought to their attention in August. Investigators have not received cooperation from players or former Biogenesis employees. Without official documents like shipping receipts or sworn testimony about Bosch's business records, MLB would not be able to suspend players under its drug policy.

Bosch told "Outside the Lines" the allegations against him are "bulls---" and "all wrong."

Since last season's All-Star Game, three MLB players whose names appear in Biogenesis records -- Cabrera, Bartolo Colon and Yasmani Grandal -- have been suspended after testing positive for performance-enhancing substances. Cabrera, in the midst of a breakout season with the San Francisco Giants, walked away with MVP honors in the All-Star Game played last July in Kansas City.

The other players linked Tuesday to the clinic have had mixed professional careers:

Norberto was shut down in late August with shoulder tendonitis, but before that posted a 4-1 record and 2.77 ERA in 39 games with Oakland. He allowed 37 hits and struck out 46 over 52 innings.

Martinez was claimed off waivers by the Astros from the New York Mets in 2011. Martinez, a Dominican Republic native, signed as a 16-year-old international free agent in 2005 for $1.4 million and quickly rose to top prospect status with the Mets, though his progress was hampered by repeated stays on the disabled list.

De Los Santos opened last season in the Oakland A's system before being acquired by the Milwaukee Brewers in July.

Puello is on the Mets' 40-man roster and in the club's spring training camp. He was signed out of the Dominican as a 16-year-old in 2007. He is expected to open the season in Double-A after missing extensive time last year with a broken bone in his hand.


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Offline PC

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #505: February 19, 2013, 09:00:42 PM »
Now, I'm waiting for the retraction from Jayson Stark for this from last week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/296/gio-gonzalez-unable-to-turn-the-page

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #506: February 19, 2013, 09:01:37 PM »
Nope, he went to a clinic that specialized in hgh for his supplements,  he got lucky they kept good records

Offline heeman82

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #507: February 19, 2013, 09:18:50 PM »
Great news. 


Offline Vega

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #508: February 19, 2013, 09:24:59 PM »

Offline DC_Nats

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #509: February 19, 2013, 09:30:43 PM »
This thread is null and void.

Any apologies from the Gio guilty set?

Cynics don't believe they've done anything wrong. Therefore, no apology is required. More importantly, can those of us that gave an innocent man the benefit of doubt take our heads out from the sand?

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #510: February 19, 2013, 09:33:57 PM »
Unfortunately, once you're linked to this stuff, you rep is tarnished forever. Wrongfully, yeah, but that's the world we live in.

The court of public opinion is a mofo.

Offline blue911

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #511: February 19, 2013, 09:52:13 PM »
Baseball still needs to test more often. Gio being innocent or guilty has zero to do with people having no confidence in a negative test result.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #512: February 19, 2013, 09:56:29 PM »
When hgh tests start,  that may change,  before,  you could take a common ped and pee in a cup the next day with confidence because they weren't testing for what you're taking

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #513: February 19, 2013, 10:04:24 PM »
Cynics don't believe they've done anything wrong. Therefore, no apology is required. More importantly, can those of us that gave an innocent man the benefit of doubt take our heads out from the sand?

Cynics don't need to apologize anymore than supporters do.  And the last benefit of the doubt I gave was for Lance Armstrong.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #514: February 19, 2013, 10:22:34 PM »
Now, I'm waiting for the retraction from Jayson Stark for this from last week.

http://espn.go.com/blog/spring-training/post/_/id/296/gio-gonzalez-unable-to-turn-the-page

I just read this, retraction of what?  Stark repeatedly said it may turn out that Gio was innocent.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #515: February 19, 2013, 10:24:09 PM »
Cynics don't believe they've done anything wrong. Therefore, no apology is required. More importantly, can those of us that gave an innocent man the benefit of doubt take our heads out from the sand?

Or take our Bill Clinton masks off?

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #516: February 19, 2013, 10:27:58 PM »
lock this thread plz

Offline PC

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #517: February 19, 2013, 10:36:23 PM »
I just read this, retraction of what?  Stark repeatedly said it may turn out that Gio was innocent.

This is how it ended:

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No matter how hard he’d like to turn the page, the questions didn’t end in the dugout of Space Coast Stadium on Tuesday. Oh, no.

They’re really just beginning.

The entire tone of the column was nagy and accusatory.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #518: February 19, 2013, 10:41:04 PM »
He went to (he denies it, the records list him going and getting legal supplements) a 'doctor' who advertised hgh treatments for aging and who has been linked to users,  he should expect questions

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #519: February 19, 2013, 10:54:54 PM »
He went to (he denies it, the records list him going and getting legal supplements) a 'doctor' who advertised hgh treatments for aging and who has been linked to users,  he should expect questions


We don't know that "he" went to him.  We know someone may have gone to that facility and purchased something using his name or last name.  Possibly, we know someone used his money but that's all and we may not even know that.

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #520: February 19, 2013, 11:20:27 PM »
So from what I read, the stuff that was apparently sold were a combination of things used to lose weight. Didn't Gio's Dad say he went to the clinic to lose weight? Didn't he say that Gio never went there?

I mean it doesn't make any sense otherwise, Gio doesn't need to lose weight.

Sounds to me like Gio was telling the truth all along - but I'm jaded and cynical by nature so who the heck knows

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #521: February 19, 2013, 11:23:35 PM »
Sounds to me like Gio was telling the truth all along - but I'm jaded and cynical by nature so who the heck knows

That's the conclusion I'm coming too right now. I understand those of you who are jaded about this kind of thing, but I'm still willing to give the benefit of the doubt...

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #522: February 20, 2013, 12:25:21 AM »
So from what I read, the stuff that was apparently sold were a combination of things used to lose weight. Didn't Gio's Dad say he went to the clinic to lose weight? Didn't he say that Gio never went there?

I mean it doesn't make any sense otherwise, Gio doesn't need to lose weight.

Sounds to me like Gio was telling the truth all along - but I'm jaded and cynical by nature so who the heck knows

Says he didn't receive banned substances. Still linked to the clinic though?

Offline NatsTheFats

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #523: February 20, 2013, 12:41:38 AM »
Says he didn't receive banned substances. Still linked to the clinic though?

That's what I understand. 

Good news.

1) He definitely wont be suspended.

2) The "media" will probably stop throwing his name around as being dirty (Starks).

I understand that baseball is dirty and that players are guilty until proven innocent, but this should put GIO as close to innocent as can be wished.  This is about the best outcome that we could have hoped for....

I sure hope his dad lost weight....

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Re: Gio linked to roids???
« Reply #524: February 20, 2013, 04:48:50 AM »
As I had hoped when this broke, I'm thrilled Gio has been exonerated. That said...

From what little I've seen, and it has been very little as I sought to avoid such depressing news on a player I genuinely like, this clinic was largely an operation of scumbag PED suppliers, correct? At least as far as the MLB community is concerned. Given the vast multitude of different teams players linked play with, this is hardly just one team/trainer/agent's supplier. They have to have had a 'reputation' in clubhouses, if only in hushed whispers.

And the Gladiator nickname was Gio's, not his fathers? Giving a nickname that basically means 'Win or die in the arena' to the only dude on the up and up seems... odd. There seems to be no question Gio only purchased non-banned substances in 2012, but before that... I dunno, I just can't fathom why someone would have started going to these Biogenesis clowns over any of the million legitimate, untarnished sports medical practices/suppliers.

While I had hoped for just this a month ago, it was before a lot of these nagging details came out about the clinic. I guess now I can feel glad to know for certain that Gio never cheated as a Nat/in 2012, and that, out of all the players listed, Gio being the sole case who has been vindicated gives further proof that the baseball Gods are with the Nats in 2013.