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Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Topic Start: January 28, 2013, 04:13:24 PM »

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #1: January 28, 2013, 04:16:18 PM »
just to elaborate

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25) Washington Nationals (14): Graduations and trades have quickly weakened the talent down on the farm over the last year, but Mike Rizzo and company should be able to recharge quickly and the major league roster is young and strong. Strengths: Anthony Rendon and Brian Goodwin have star potential. Considerable raw material for a pitching staff. Weaknesses: They are banking a lot on injured pitchers recovering well. Many prospects are too old for their levels.

seems fair- most of our recent high/expensive picks (Rendon,Giolito, Purke) have huge injury concerns. Fortunately, the whole team except for laroche is under contract for the foreseeable future, and Moore is waiting to replace him.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #2: January 28, 2013, 06:08:29 PM »
at least the barves are lower than us.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #3: January 28, 2013, 06:18:39 PM »
I'm sure Marlins fans are rejoicing at their #8 ranking.

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« Reply #4: January 29, 2013, 09:48:02 AM »
The good news is we are the 9th youngest team in the majors -- and we are really deep as it is. Our prospects have sometime to develop, and really aren't needed for a couple of years.

Losing the 1st round pick for Soriano will hurt, but Rizzo has done well mining late-round gems. I am not worried about this at all.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #5: January 30, 2013, 01:17:37 PM »
MLB.com's top 100 prospects list includes Rendon (#28), Goodwin (#52), Giolito (#74), and A.J. Cole (#91).
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/prospects/watch/y2013/

Oh, and Alex Meyer at #40.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #6: February 04, 2013, 10:08:33 AM »
Keith Law today (ranking the Nats at #21 in his list of farm systems): "I love their top five prospects. There's a bottomless crevasse somewhere not far after that."

I assume Rendon, Goodwin, Giolito, Cole, but who's the 5th? I feel like KLaw would snarkily dismiss Skole, and Garcia projects as a RP and he hates those, prospect-wise. Karns?

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #7: February 04, 2013, 10:10:18 AM »
Purke?

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #8: February 04, 2013, 10:11:46 AM »
I can't see Purke. Law loves ceiling but he's too results-oriented to "love" Purke.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #9: February 04, 2013, 10:30:24 AM »
he might give purke a break based on injury. I'd think from most watchers it would be skole, but law hates guys without pedigree

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #10: February 04, 2013, 10:59:02 AM »
Last year he had Purke 7th below Hood and Solis- can't see how last year has made him more optimistic.

It's gotta be between Garcia, Skole, and Karns, none of whom fit KLaw's profile.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #11: February 04, 2013, 11:00:49 AM »
I would guess Solis.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #12: February 04, 2013, 11:17:30 AM »
I say it's Skole.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #13: February 04, 2013, 11:25:41 AM »
I say it's Skole.

He insists Skole isn't the real deal. "No bat speed"

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #14: February 04, 2013, 11:30:19 AM »
Hood :couch:

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #15: February 04, 2013, 12:03:48 PM »
He probably said 5 because its a round number but he really meant 4.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #16: February 04, 2013, 04:00:19 PM »
revised top 25:

http://washington.nationals.mlb.com/mlb/minorleagues/affiliates/index.jsp?c_id=was

1. Rendon
2. Goodwin
3. Cole
4. Giolito
5. Marrero
6. Taylor
7. Perez
8. Purke
9. Hood
10. Ray
11. Skole

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #17: February 04, 2013, 04:01:39 PM »
I'd drop Marrero and Ray from the list. Looks pretty good otherwise.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #18: February 04, 2013, 04:09:11 PM »
Skole that low?  Really?  For comnparison, BA, which is a "tools / upside" site, has Skole 4th, pre-Cole, which is the same as hulet / fangraphs.

Here is a link to Hulet: http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/index.php/washington-nationals-top-15-prospects-2012-13/

Prior to Cole, he had Goodwin, Rendon Giolito, Skole, and Solis as the top 5.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #19: February 05, 2013, 12:38:59 PM »
Keith Law put Nathan Karns as his #5 guy on the Nats system. In fact, Karns was placed in his top 100 (#99).

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #20: February 05, 2013, 12:39:02 PM »
#5 on Laws list is Karns. He came in at 99 on his top 100.

Rendon, Goodwin, Giolito, Cole, and Karns.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #21: February 05, 2013, 12:41:10 PM »
#5 on Laws list is Karns. He came in at 99 on his top 100.

Rendon, Goodwin, Giolito, Cole, and Karns.
Beat you by 3 seconds on that

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #22: February 05, 2013, 03:04:17 PM »
nice top 5.  If Giolito comes back at the end of this year and can show his plus-plus stuff and decent command he will easily jump into the top 50.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #23: February 05, 2013, 03:16:00 PM »
What an idiot KLaw is. Just goes to show how arbitrary his selection process is, and how he just kind of decides whether he likes someone or doesn't and then fits the evidence around that.

Karns is heading into his age-25 season, has never been above high-A, and has a history of shoulder problems. He's never thrown more than 116 innings. To project that kind of player as a #2 starter and in your top 100 prospects is ridiculous.

It's just another instance of Keith Law deciding it's more important to take a controversial stand about a prospect than it is to realistically evaluate. I can't remember how many times he's said that other guys with only 2 pitches, injury histories, and strain in their deliveries are RP and not worthy of the top 100.

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Re: Ranking the Farm System - 2013
« Reply #24: February 05, 2013, 03:19:25 PM »
He probably knows a bit more about what makes a good potential starter than we do.