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Offline markfnc

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Grienke Contract
« Topic Start: December 13, 2012, 03:50:39 PM »
In honor of his new contract, list worst pitching contracts ever.

I'll start Barry Zito with Giants

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #1: December 13, 2012, 03:56:55 PM »
Jason Schmidt with Dodgers

Carl Pavano with Yankees

John Lackey with Red Sox


Offline Vega

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« Reply #2: December 13, 2012, 04:03:50 PM »
Hampton, Mike.

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« Reply #3: December 13, 2012, 04:17:53 PM »
Kevin Brown

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« Reply #4: December 13, 2012, 04:17:58 PM »
Jason Schmidt with Dodgers

Carl Pavano with Yankees

John Lackey with Red Sox



we have a winner.

A few other honorable mentions:
- Carlos Silva - 4/$48M with seattle.  Threw 180 innings with an ERA over 6.5
- Chan Ho Park - 5/$65 with Texas - over 5 ERA
- Mike Hampton - 8/$121 with the Rockies to pitch batting practice to opposing teams

Maybe Dice-K too?

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #5: December 13, 2012, 04:47:57 PM »
we have a winner.

A few other honorable mentions:
- Carlos Silva - 4/$48M with seattle.  Threw 180 innings with an ERA over 6.5
- Chan Ho Park - 5/$65 with Texas - over 5 ERA
- Mike Hampton - 8/$121 with the Rockies to pitch batting practice to opposing teams

Maybe Dice-K too?


Maybe Daisuke if you factor in all the money involved in the transactio, ie the posting fee.

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« Reply #6: December 13, 2012, 04:51:58 PM »
Maybe Daisuke if you factor in all the money involved in the transactio, ie the posting fee.

Of course you have to factor in the posting fee.

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #7: December 13, 2012, 04:58:30 PM »
Silva has to be way up there. Wayne Garland anyone?  first multi-million dollar pitching contract.  Signed for 7 years after a 20 win season.  I'm not sure if he won 10 games over that contract.

Lackey has a special stink because he was corrosive in the chicken and beer sense.  However, the Red Sox got one mediocre year out of him.  I'll give it a bit more time.  He could be league average the rest of the way and then merely be bad.  there is also the league minimum option at the end, so that could reduce the $/yr.

The acquisition costs for the right to bargain with Dice-K did not count against the luxury tax threahold for a team that was right around it, so I don't think that counts as a downside to the contract.  It was 4 squandered years after 2 acceptable ones at the start.

I'm with Carlos Silva on this one.

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #8: December 13, 2012, 04:59:19 PM »
Carl Pavano: 4 years, $38 million, 9 wins.

75 strikeouts.

He was paid $506,666 per strikeout.

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« Reply #9: December 13, 2012, 08:49:30 PM »
Chan Ho Park, Danny Neagle.

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« Reply #10: December 15, 2012, 03:44:14 PM »
Jaime Navarro, 1996.  It didn't matter what he was paid. 

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« Reply #11: December 15, 2012, 03:45:46 PM »
Jaime Navarro, 1996.  It didn't matter what he was paid. 

In that case - Brian Bruney.

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #12: December 15, 2012, 04:51:55 PM »
Good topic, others I thought of were mentioned.  Kevin Brown, Mike Hampton, Dice K, Lackey.  Long term pitching contracts are very dangerous. 

Offline codedandunited

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #13: December 16, 2012, 10:18:04 PM »
I wonder how long it will take until Darvish's name shows up on this list.  His annual salary doesn't look too bad, but the posting fee plus what it cost just to negotiate is insane....

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« Reply #14: December 17, 2012, 08:23:17 AM »
The posting fee issue isn't as clear cut a negative as some here are making it out to be.  Darvish was able to pitch in MLB from the get go.  Not even top 5 picks typically do that, like Hultzen, Gerrit Cole, and Bauer.  I forget what the typical cost of developing a mid-rotation starter is when you consider the failiures, but I think I heard a number of $20MM.  For the Nats, Strasburg aside, for every JZ, there was a Smoker, an Everts, a Balester, McGeary, and more.  If you don't consider Detwiler a mid-rotation type, add his name to that mix, too. 

for a team up against the luxury tax, the fact that posting fees do not count against the threshold also is a consideration.  Texas is not quite there, but for the NYY, the Dodgers, and the LAA / Boston / Philly / Detroits, that is a big benefit too.

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #15: December 24, 2012, 12:31:39 PM »
we have a winner.

A few other honorable mentions:
- Carlos Silva - 4/$48M with seattle.  Threw 180 innings with an ERA over 6.5
- Chan Ho Park - 5/$65 with Texas - over 5 ERA
- Mike Hampton - 8/$121 with the Rockies to pitch batting practice to opposing teams

Maybe Dice-K too?

some posters here went APE crap when the Nats didn't sign Silva :lmao:

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Re: Grienke Contract
« Reply #16: December 24, 2012, 05:57:32 PM »
- Carl Pavano. Maybe you had to see it up close: the amazing disappearing pitcher.

- Several pitchers who could pitch in San Diego but got nervous in front of big crowds such as those that tend to show at Yankee Stadium.