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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #25: November 20, 2012, 11:58:53 PM »
I see, so you want to be certaint that he's good and you can play him. Thanks.

Are rule-5 draft players drafted in the same way as the hs/college kids where worst team has first pick, or is it different?
No, you're thinking of the Rule 4 Draft.

"The First-Year Player Draft, also known as the Rule 4 Draft, is Major League Baseball's primary mechanism for assigning amateur baseball players, from high schools, colleges, and other amateur baseball clubs, to its teams."


"The Rule 5 draft is a Major League Baseball player draft that occurs each year in December, at the annual Winter Meeting of general managers. The Rule 5 draft aims to prevent teams from stockpiling too many young players on their minor league affiliate teams when other teams would be willing to have them play in the majors.[1] The Rule 5 draft is named for its place in Major League Rules. (It is sometimes mistakenly referenced with a Roman numeral.) The June Rule 4 draft, known as simply "the draft", "amateur draft", or "first year player draft", is a distinctly different process in which teams select high school and college players."

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #26: November 21, 2012, 07:37:12 AM »
The 40 man now stands at 38. If we hypothetically re-sign LaRoche and Burnett we are back to 40. If we then sign a FA or two we would have to drop someone from the 40 man. What happens if that happens AFTER the rule 5 draft? In affect we are protecting someone that we put on the 40 man or do they have to clear waivers before they can be re-assigned to our minor league teams?

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #27: November 21, 2012, 08:09:15 AM »
No, you're thinking of the Rule 4 Draft.

"The First-Year Player Draft, also known as the Rule 4 Draft, is Major League Baseball's primary mechanism for assigning amateur baseball players, from high schools, colleges, and other amateur baseball clubs, to its teams."

"The Rule 5 draft is a Major League Baseball player draft that occurs each year in December, at the annual Winter Meeting of general managers. The Rule 5 draft aims to prevent teams from stockpiling too many young players on their minor league affiliate teams"
So is it a first come, first served thing where whose asks for a dropped player first gets him? Or is the selection process different? Wikipedia was being unclear about it.


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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #28: November 21, 2012, 08:18:29 AM »
Erik Davis? Why why why

He's a mediocre organizational arm.

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #29: November 21, 2012, 09:39:57 AM »
Erik Davis? Why why why

He's a mediocre organizational arm.

they must think he's got potential to join the club as a reliever next year.  He had a very good year in AA - 9.7 K/9, 2.52 ERA, 1.228 WHIP in 64 innings, slightly improving from 2011 (9.1, 2.71, 1.247).  He might have some trade value as well.

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #30: November 21, 2012, 09:45:06 AM »
No, you're thinking of the Rule 4 Draft.

"The First-Year Player Draft, also known as the Rule 4 Draft, is Major League Baseball's primary mechanism for assigning amateur baseball players, from high schools, colleges, and other amateur baseball clubs, to its teams."


"The Rule 5 draft is a Major League Baseball player draft that occurs each year in December, at the annual Winter Meeting of general managers. The Rule 5 draft aims to prevent teams from stockpiling too many young players on their minor league affiliate teams when other teams would be willing to have them play in the majors.[1] The Rule 5 draft is named for its place in Major League Rules. (It is sometimes mistakenly referenced with a Roman numeral.) The June Rule 4 draft, known as simply "the draft", "amateur draft", or "first year player draft", is a distinctly different process in which teams select high school and college players."


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As in the amateur draft, the selection order of the teams is based on each team's win-loss record from the prior regular season, each round starting with the team with the worst record and proceeding in order to the team with the best record. Any player selected under Rule 5 is immediately added to his new team's 40-man roster; thus, teams who do not have an available roster spot may not participate in the Rule 5 draft. Players who are not currently on their team's 40-man roster are eligible to be selected in the Rule 5 draft, but only after a standard exemption period has elapsed. See Selection eligibility below.
 
If chosen in the Rule 5 draft, a player must be kept on the selecting team's 25-man major league roster for the entire season after the draft—he may not be optioned or designated to the minors. The selecting team may, at any time, waive the Rule 5 draftee. If a Rule 5 draftee clears waivers by not signing with a new MLB team, he must be offered back to the original team, effectively canceling the Rule 5 draft choice. Once a Rule 5 draftee spends an entire season on his new team's 25-man roster, his status reverts to normal and he may be optioned or designated for assignment.
 
To prevent the abuse of the Rule 5 draft, the rule also states that the draftee must be active for at least 90 days. This keeps teams from drafting players, then placing them on the disabled list for the majority of the season. For example, if a Rule 5 draftee was only active for 67 days in his first season with his new club, he must be active for an additional 23 days in his second season to satisfy the Rule 5 requirements.
 
Any player chosen in the Rule 5 draft may be traded to any team while under the Rule 5 restrictions, but the restrictions transfer to the new team. If the new team does not want to keep the player on its 25-man roster for the season, he must be offered back to the team of which he was a member when chosen in the draft.

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #31: November 21, 2012, 09:47:52 AM »
I see, so you want to be certaint that he's good and you can play him. Thanks.

or that you can stash him on the dl

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #32: November 21, 2012, 10:46:20 AM »
Typically, you can stash a reliever as a mop up 12th man.  I'd not be surprised if Rosenbaum were grabbed.  Sometimes you can stash an extra OF or IF, especially if he can run.   I think Kobernus possibly could be lost.  The Os last year  kept Flaherty all year as a rule 5.

Jesus Flores was a rule 5 draft choice.  It was surprising, because it is a tougher to stash a guy as a catcher.

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #33: November 21, 2012, 11:12:33 AM »
The 40 man now stands at 38. If we hypothetically re-sign LaRoche and Burnett we are back to 40. If we then sign a FA or two we would have to drop someone from the 40 man. What happens if that happens AFTER the rule 5 draft? In affect we are protecting someone that we put on the 40 man or do they have to clear waivers before they can be re-assigned to our minor league teams?

They would be subject to waivers like any other player being removed from the 40 man roster. But the kicker is, the claiming team would not have to keep them on the 25 man roster, they'd just have to give him a spot on the 40 man roster.

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Re: 40 man roster - rule 5 deadline
« Reply #34: November 21, 2012, 02:48:44 PM »
So is it a first come, first served thing where whose asks for a dropped player first gets him? Or is the selection process different? Wikipedia was being unclear about it.

Not first come first served, it's a draft.

So, the Nats must protect any minor leaguer in their system that meets the service time rules relevant to the Rule 5 Draft. It's basically 4-5 years depending on your age when you signed. If you pass those years of service, the Nats must "protect" you on the 40 man, or "expose" you to the Rule 5. If you don't get picked you turn into a regular minor leaguer.