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Who would you rather keep?

Adam LaRoche
68 (60.7%)
Michael Morse
44 (39.3%)

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Offline Kevrock

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #950: January 09, 2013, 05:41:47 AM »
Cameron hates Morse. Not paying attention to his opinion of him anymore.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #951: January 09, 2013, 06:43:19 AM »
Cameron hates Morse. Not paying attention to his opinion of him anymore.

Cameron is a donk. Who gives a fuuuck what he says?

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #952: January 09, 2013, 08:38:51 AM »
In fairness, he praises the bat more than I thought, saying a 126 wRC+ is the average performance for age 31 (Morse's 2013) and says that is a reasonable expectation for Morse.  He does not drone on about the BB and K rate too much.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #953: January 09, 2013, 08:46:03 AM »
Cameron hates Morse. Not paying attention to his opinion of him anymore.
Dude, Cameron just ran an article where he puts Morse in the same table as Matt Holliday, Kevin Youkilis, and Josh Hamilton. Those aren't bad hitters to be compared to. He's basically predicting Bobby Abreu's career path, but without the walks.

We know Morse doesn't take many walks. We know he's not a good outfielder. What Cameron's saying shouldn't be surprising. And even if Morse is only a 2-win player, do you know how good a reliever has to be to be worth 2 wins?

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #954: January 09, 2013, 10:19:51 AM »
Dude, two months ago he called him a platoon DH again. I'm not gonna read an entire article about Morse if it's written by him.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #955: January 09, 2013, 10:33:03 AM »
In fairness Dude, he praises the bat more than I thought, saying a 126 wRC+ is the average performance for age 31 (Morse's 2013) and says that is a reasonable expectation for Morse.  He does not drone on about the BB and K rate too much.
Edited to make me seem more like a dude who uses "dude."  Oddibe Young Again. 

Carlos Guillen is another comp on that table, with more similar BB and K but 20 HR power rather than 30. 

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #956: January 09, 2013, 10:40:56 AM »
Cameron is a donk. Who gives a fuuuck what he says?

I'm glad you are posting regularly again.  The board was not the same without you.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #957: January 09, 2013, 10:54:30 AM »
I'm glad you are posting regularly again.  The board was not the same without you.

Don't encourage/humor him.   :)

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #958: January 09, 2013, 04:55:49 PM »
<----- new avatar.  Good luck Michael.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #959: January 09, 2013, 05:48:43 PM »
olney:

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Nationals making moves
With the signing of Adam LaRoche to a two-year deal, the Nationals' lineup could look like this:

CF Denard Span
RF Jayson Werth
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
2B Danny Espinosa
C Kurt Suzuki/Wilson Ramos

Plus, they should have a really deep bench, regardless of whether they trade Michael Morse -- and it appears they will deal Morse, who has had three good offensive seasons: .871 OPS in 2010, .910 OPS in 2011 and .791 last year.

What can they expect for Morse? Probably not a lot. He is eligible for free agency next fall, which essentially makes him a one-year rental in 2013, and GMs don't have a lot of enthusiasm for giving up good prospects for a player in that situation. Some GMs say privately that while they like Morse, they can't see surrendering much, given his lack of a natural position and his lengthy injury history. And the Nationals will be hurt by the fact that there are similar players on the market, most notably Jason Kubel.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #960: January 09, 2013, 05:53:06 PM »
olney:
the Nationals' lineup could look like this:

Is this pure speculation by Olney? If so, it's useless.   Or has he talked to someone inside?

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« Reply #961: January 09, 2013, 05:54:07 PM »
Is this pure speculation by Olney? If so, it's useless.   Or has he talked to someone inside?

pure speculation.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #962: January 09, 2013, 05:58:21 PM »
Kubel is lefty so they're not exactly the same.  But point taken that there are similar players still out there.

Are the Indians still sour on Chris Perez?  I remember he criticized their ownership last year but he may have changed his mind about their commitment to winning with the Swisher signing.  But maybe the bridges have already burned?  They could definitely use another hitter.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #963: January 09, 2013, 09:11:17 PM »
olney:
Nationals making moves
With the signing of Adam LaRoche to a two-year deal, the Nationals' lineup could look like this:

CF Denard Span
RF Jayson Werth
LF Bryce Harper
3B Ryan Zimmerman
1B Adam LaRoche
SS Ian Desmond
2B Danny Espinosa
C Kurt Suzuki/Wilson Ramos


If we keep Morse we'll have a lineup like this:

CF Span  L
RF Werth  R
LF Harper  L
3B Zimmerman  R
1B LaRoche  L
SS Desmond  R
2B Espinosa  S
C   Ramozuki  R

and a bench of:
R  Morse 1B/OF
S  Lombo 2B/SS/3B/LF
L  Bernie OF
L  Tracy 1B/3B

NEWS ALERT: zimm_da_kid = Buster Olney

Davey Johnson said last year that he likes a lineup that alternates between left and right, deterring an opponent from bringing in a lefty specialist who stinks against right-handed batters.  (But Zim-with-1-N may have to amend his contract, if it requires that he always bats 3rd.) Davey also said in late December that he expected Morse to be traded, if LaRoche is signed.


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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #964: January 09, 2013, 09:24:29 PM »
NEWS ALERT: zimm_da_kid = Buster Olney
Impressed he's stayed this composed with all the mess we've talked about him over the years.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #965: January 09, 2013, 10:20:38 PM »
Buster Olney is into Capt Japan trannies?!?!?

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #966: January 10, 2013, 12:58:18 AM »
I'm glad you are posting regularly again.  The board was not the same without you.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #967: January 10, 2013, 09:06:09 AM »
Impressed he's stayed this composed with all the mess we've talked about him over the years.

Impressed that a professional is behaving professionally?  Pretty low bar.  He didn't get much love here when the team was awful, but I don't recall him ever saying or doing anything particularly egregious (though I'm sure you could find old quotes of me saying otherwise :lol: )

There was a certain other journalist who behaved rather shockingly unprofessionally on one occasion, but I don't think that should be the standard against which composure is measured ;)

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #968: January 10, 2013, 06:42:31 PM »
Apparently, some O's fans (O's message board) think we should add either Matt Purke, Matt Skole or Destin Hood in any deal with Morse.


 :smh:


They feel that would make a deal for someone like Arrieta "fair'.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #969: January 10, 2013, 07:04:54 PM »
Apparently, some O's fans (O's message board) think we should add either Matt Purke, Matt Skole or Destin Hood in any deal with Morse.


 :smh:


They feel that would make a deal for someone like Arrieta "fair'.

I've seen this as well.  They are saying it would have to be one of the prospects in order to get Arrieta and Strop or Patton.  They seem to think that the Nats want a 6th starter and think Arrieta would be the guy.  He would add a righty to the pen and if someone gets hurt, he gets promoted.  I'd take Duke over Arrieta as a 6th starter, and I think an outside shot of signing Vazquez to a MiLB deal with a June 1 opt out makes much more sense.

I'm sorry to to anyone that has any feelings toward the O's, but I don't think the O's match up as well as some would think.  I still set my sights on Seattle.

What I'm getting is that O's fans really over value the hell out of their players.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #970: January 10, 2013, 07:09:28 PM »
I've seen this as well.  They are saying it would have to be one of the prospects in order to get Arrieta and Strop or Patton.  They seem to think that the Nats want a 6th starter and think Arrieta would be the guy.  He would add a righty to the pen and if someone gets hurt, he gets promoted.  I'd take Duke over Arrieta as a 6th starter, and I think an outside shot of signing Vazquez to a MiLB deal with a June 1 opt out makes much more sense.

I'm sorry to to anyone that has any feelings toward the O's, but I don't think the O's match up as well as some would think.  I still set my sights on Seattle.

What I'm getting is that O's fans really over value the hell out of their players.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #971: January 10, 2013, 07:15:37 PM »


I guess as a rule, most fans probably do overvalue their franchise's players.

But who really values Jake Arrieta or Brian Matusz as being a straight overpay by the O's for Morse?

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #972: January 10, 2013, 07:47:46 PM »
I think people  on this board as a whole undervalue the players who have been around for a while- Detwiler as a lefty out of the pen, Morse for scraps

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #973: January 10, 2013, 07:49:15 PM »
I think people  on this board as a whole undervalue the players who have been around for a while- Detwiler as a lefty out of the pen, Morse for scraps

Morse getting moved for scraps isn't an undervaluation by people on this board... it's a likely reality. If you read most people's posts about Morse, they realize it's impossible to get fair market value for him... we're resigned to the fact that it'll likely be a small piece in return and not what a slugger could/might bring.

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Re: Morse or LaRoche
« Reply #974: January 10, 2013, 07:49:49 PM »
...I'm sorry to to anyone that has any feelings toward the O's, but I don't think the O's match up as well as some would think.  I still set my sights on Seattle...

I doubt that Seattle would trade for Michael Morse, since the current GM there was the same guy who sent him to AAA in 2009 and then made the deal to trade him to us for Ryan Langerhans.  The GM is not going to admit that he was wrong about Morse by trading for him.


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