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Offline zimm_da_kid

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2950: December 18, 2012, 05:37:39 PM »
I feel that we should be #1.  Winning the world series 2 out of 3 years does not necessarily make them the best team.  Our pitching and offense is better going into next year.

Also LOL at the A's being #5.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2951: December 18, 2012, 06:56:55 PM »
Dan Plesac and Billy Ripken also did a power ranking on MLB Tonight.  Plesac had the Nationals #2 (Tigers #1) and Ripken had the Nationals #1.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2952: December 18, 2012, 07:00:27 PM »
Did it look like Billy was pained by putting the Nats at #1?  I remember watching him last year and he was a doubter until well into the season.  Plesac picked the Nats for the playoffs before last season if I remember correctly.

I watched MLB tonight yesterday and Billy had the O's in first place.  I'll be surprised if they do better than 4th.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2953: December 18, 2012, 07:08:51 PM »
Ripken also picked the Nationals as the team that has improved the most this offseason.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2954: December 18, 2012, 07:12:34 PM »
Ripken also picked the Nationals as the team that has improved the most this offseason.

WTF?  More than the Dodgers and Blue Jays?

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2955: December 18, 2012, 07:38:36 PM »
WTF?  More than the Dodgers and Blue Jays?

I'm not so sure you can call what they're doing "improving"

more like

'absurding"   ;)

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2956: December 18, 2012, 09:23:44 PM »
WTF?  More than the Dodgers and Blue Jays?

full years of Harper and Strasburg, plus Span and Haren.


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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2957: December 18, 2012, 09:31:12 PM »
Where did Mitch have the Nats? He always has our back.

He probably moonwalked all over the set after we did what he said we'd do the past two seasons and everyone laughed at him.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2958: December 18, 2012, 09:38:45 PM »
Ripken also picked the Nationals as the team that has improved the most this offseason.

I don't think the Nats have improved at all.  At this point I'd put them about the same.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2959: December 18, 2012, 10:10:29 PM »
full years of Harper and Strasburg, plus Span and Haren.



Also, addition by subtraction - no Nady or Lidge next year. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2960: December 18, 2012, 10:15:30 PM »
I don't think the Nats have improved at all.  At this point I'd put them about the same.
The bullpen is my biggest concern. Losing Burnett, Gorzelanny, and Gonzalez will hurt. No substantial additions have been made (Bill Bray and Zach Duke meh meh).

Look forward to another season of Clip getting burnt out and Storen pissing his pants unless Rizzo acts soon.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2961: December 18, 2012, 10:22:29 PM »
Also, addition by subtraction - no Nady or Lidge next year. 

no DeRosa.  And Stairs is still gone.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2962: December 18, 2012, 11:54:40 PM »
How "lucky" do people think we were last year injury-wise.  Seems to me we were fairly unlucky, and so we could expect to see decent improvement just by better health.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2963: December 18, 2012, 11:59:45 PM »
How "lucky" do people think we were last year injury-wise.  Seems to me we were fairly unlucky, and so we could expect to see decent improvement just by better health.


We were extremely lucky with the health of the rotation.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2964: December 19, 2012, 05:11:15 AM »
We were extremely lucky with the health of the rotation.

And extremely unlucky with every other position. So many people are saying "watch out" for the Phillies being healthy again in 2013 but no one ever mentions that the Nats had to deal with major injuries/lack of playing time to Zimmerman, Desmond, Ramos, Werth, Morse, Strasburg, and Harper.

Yes, we were extremely lucky with our rotation's health last season, something that probably won't happen again, but let's not pretend that the team as a whole escaped unscathed.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2965: December 19, 2012, 08:11:47 AM »
no DeRosa.  And Stairs is still gone.

And Flores.  Flores got nearly 300 ab's and had a sub .600 OPS.  Nady got 100 ab's with a sub .500 OPS.  Derosa also got 100 with a .550 OPS.

That is 500 ab's where the Nats got ridiculously terrible production at the plate.

It doesn't include Ankiel's 170 ab's - he put up a respectable .700 OPS with great defense (albeit way too many k's to go with his occasional power).

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2966: December 19, 2012, 08:15:29 AM »
And extremely unlucky with every other position. So many people are saying "watch out" for the Phillies being healthy again in 2013 but no one ever mentions that the Nats had to deal with major injuries/lack of playing time to Zimmerman, Desmond, Ramos, Werth, Morse, Strasburg, and Harper.

Yes, we were extremely lucky with our rotation's health last season, something that probably won't happen again, but let's not pretend that the team as a whole escaped unscathed.

I'd make that tradeoff every day of the week.  Especially next year when we won't have Lannan to fall back on as the 6th starter.  The difference between Strasburg/Gio and the 6th starter is a lot greater than the difference between a middle infielder and a utility guy.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2967: December 19, 2012, 08:16:17 AM »
And Flores.  Flores got nearly 300 ab's and had a sub .600 OPS.  Nady got 100 ab's with a sub .500 OPS.  Derosa also got 100 with a .550 OPS.

That is 500 ab's where the Nats got ridiculously terrible production at the plate.

It doesn't include Ankiel's 170 ab's - he put up a respectable .700 OPS with great defense (albeit way too many k's to go with his occasional power).

we also aren't going to try and put Ian Desmond & Espinosa at leadoff again.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2968: December 19, 2012, 08:19:53 AM »
And Flores.  Flores got nearly 300 ab's and had a sub .600 OPS.  Nady got 100 ab's with a sub .500 OPS.  Derosa also got 100 with a .550 OPS.

That is 500 ab's where the Nats got ridiculously terrible production at the plate.

It doesn't include Ankiel's 170 ab's - he put up a respectable .700 OPS with great defense (albeit way too many k's to go with his occasional power).

We'll still likely have players of that caliber playing following injury,  we're at a point though where we have back ups who are mostly competent,  and since all the starting ofs can play center,  we won't end up having to start a guy like Perez if span goes down. 

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2969: December 19, 2012, 11:17:10 AM »
Sign JP Howell and LaRoche for Christmas.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2970: December 19, 2012, 11:44:18 AM »
And extremely unlucky with every other position. So many people are saying "watch out" for the Phillies being healthy again in 2013 but no one ever mentions that the Nats had to deal with major injuries/lack of playing time to Zimmerman, Desmond, Ramos, Werth, Morse, Strasburg, and Harper.

Yes, we were extremely lucky with our rotation's health last season, something that probably won't happen again, but let's not pretend that the team as a whole escaped unscathed.
Pitching can mask a lot of ills.  If we see the injuries in the rotation equivalent to what we saw in the lineup last year, we won't be repeating.  It's not really an apples to apples comparison.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2971: December 19, 2012, 11:45:07 AM »
Sign JP Howell and LaRoche for Christmas.

I'd take that.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2972: December 19, 2012, 01:15:01 PM »
The biggest improvement for the Nats next year will be Stras two years removed from surgery and with no innings limit.

Harper for a full year in the bigs is a close second.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2973: December 19, 2012, 01:25:02 PM »
The biggest improvement for the Nats next year will be Stras two years removed from surgery and with no innings limit.

Harper for a full year in the bigs is a close second.

Assuming full health of our players, I think Ramos healthy for a full year will be the biggest improvement.  Second is Zim healthy for a full year.  Third is Harper a year older and for the full year and fourth is Stras for the full year.  This is regular season impact. 

Postseason, having Stras pitching is clearly #1 improvement.

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Re: 2012/13 Offseason Discussion Thread
« Reply #2974: December 19, 2012, 01:26:14 PM »
Postseason, having Stras pitching is clearly #1 improvement.
...bullpen poise...